Its actually a good thing the "skinny" repeal failed, it
Forum rules
Be Civil. Go Hokies.
Be Civil. Go Hokies.
-
- Posts: 13399
- Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:25 pm
Its actually a good thing the "skinny" repeal failed, it
would have just effed up the insurance market more. But let it fail, it is on its way
- ip_law-hokie
- Posts: 19133
- Joined: Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:20 pm
- Alma Mater: Manchester
- Location: New York, NY
Re: Its actually a good thing the "skinny" repeal failed, it
Correct. Just more Trump winning.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
With their Cap’n and Chief Intelligence Officer having deserted them, River, Ham and Joe valiantly continue their whataboutismistic last stand of the DJT apology tour.
-
- Posts: 13399
- Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:25 pm
Re: Its actually a good thing the
good idiot response, great conversationip_law-hokie wrote:Correct. Just more Trump winning.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Re: Its actually a good thing the "skinny" repeal failed, it
Step closer to single payer, unfortunately, by not bringing a real bill to the floor.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Fully vaccinated, still not dead
-
- Posts: 13399
- Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:25 pm
Re: Its actually a good thing the
nolanvt wrote:Step closer to single payer, unfortunately, by not bringing a real bill to the floor.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
for you own sake you better hope not
-
- Posts: 912
- Joined: Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:42 pm
Re: Its actually a good thing the
Yep, anyone who is still pushing single payer is not paying attention:cwtcr hokie wrote:nolanvt wrote:Step closer to single payer, unfortunately, by not bringing a real bill to the floor.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
for you own sake you better hope not
1) Charlie Gard
2) NHS announcing that they will not treat smokers or obese persons
3) More issues with waiting times in Canada and Great Britain
4) More VA issues coming to light (CNN published a report that billions spent on the system after the wait time scandal actually made some things worse)
5) France, despite having universal health care, had 26% of their patients forego care due to financial concerns. The "social security" system now eats up so much of their budget they are looking to have the complementary private market make up the difference, but they will charge acturial valid premiums which will result in "unequal" care.
6) Activists in Germany are trying to make private health insurance illegal, because it so much better than the universal coverage it is "unequal".
- RiverguyVT
- Posts: 30299
- Joined: Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:30 pm
Re: Its actually a good thing the
I'm sure McCain went to through the VA for his tumor treatment...didn't he?WestEndHokie39 wrote:Yep, anyone who is still pushing single payer is not paying attention:cwtcr hokie wrote:nolanvt wrote:Step closer to single payer, unfortunately, by not bringing a real bill to the floor.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
for you own sake you better hope not
1) Charlie Gard
2) NHS announcing that they will not treat smokers or obese persons
3) More issues with waiting times in Canada and Great Britain
4) More VA issues coming to light (CNN published a report that billions spent on the system after the wait time scandal actually made some things worse)
5) France, despite having universal health care, had 26% of their patients forego care due to financial concerns. The "social security" system now eats up so much of their budget they are looking to have the complementary private market make up the difference, but they will charge acturial valid premiums which will result in "unequal" care.
6) Activists in Germany are trying to make private health insurance illegal, because it so much better than the universal coverage it is "unequal".
So I put (the dead dog) on her doorstep!
Salute the Marines
Soon we'll have planes that fly 22000 mph
"#PedoPete" = Hunter's name for his dad.
Salute the Marines
Soon we'll have planes that fly 22000 mph
"#PedoPete" = Hunter's name for his dad.
-
- Posts: 11220
- Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:29 am
Re: Its actually a good thing the
Do you have a source for #2, #5?WestEndHokie39 wrote:Yep, anyone who is still pushing single payer is not paying attention:cwtcr hokie wrote:nolanvt wrote:Step closer to single payer, unfortunately, by not bringing a real bill to the floor.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
for you own sake you better hope not
1) Charlie Gard
2) NHS announcing that they will not treat smokers or obese persons
3) More issues with waiting times in Canada and Great Britain
4) More VA issues coming to light (CNN published a report that billions spent on the system after the wait time scandal actually made some things worse)
5) France, despite having universal health care, had 26% of their patients forego care due to financial concerns. The "social security" system now eats up so much of their budget they are looking to have the complementary private market make up the difference, but they will charge acturial valid premiums which will result in "unequal" care.
6) Activists in Germany are trying to make private health insurance illegal, because it so much better than the universal coverage it is "unequal".
Do justice, love mercy, walk humbly.
-
- Posts: 13399
- Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:25 pm
Re: Its actually a good thing the
not sure why this is hard to figure out, does medicare work really well? No, massive fraud, to have good care you have to buy a supplemental policy THRU INSURANCE COMPANIES, does VA care work well? NoVisorBoy wrote:Do you have a source for #2, #5?WestEndHokie39 wrote:Yep, anyone who is still pushing single payer is not paying attention:cwtcr hokie wrote:nolanvt wrote:Step closer to single payer, unfortunately, by not bringing a real bill to the floor.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
for you own sake you better hope not
1) Charlie Gard
2) NHS announcing that they will not treat smokers or obese persons
3) More issues with waiting times in Canada and Great Britain
4) More VA issues coming to light (CNN published a report that billions spent on the system after the wait time scandal actually made some things worse)
5) France, despite having universal health care, had 26% of their patients forego care due to financial concerns. The "social security" system now eats up so much of their budget they are looking to have the complementary private market make up the difference, but they will charge acturial valid premiums which will result in "unequal" care.
6) Activists in Germany are trying to make private health insurance illegal, because it so much better than the universal coverage it is "unequal".
WE have real world examples in the USA, never mind the issues in actual single payer countries
-
- Posts: 912
- Joined: Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:42 pm
Re: Its actually a good thing the
#2VisorBoy wrote:Do you have a source for #2, #5?WestEndHokie39 wrote:Yep, anyone who is still pushing single payer is not paying attention:cwtcr hokie wrote:nolanvt wrote:Step closer to single payer, unfortunately, by not bringing a real bill to the floor.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
for you own sake you better hope not
1) Charlie Gard
2) NHS announcing that they will not treat smokers or obese persons
3) More issues with waiting times in Canada and Great Britain
4) More VA issues coming to light (CNN published a report that billions spent on the system after the wait time scandal actually made some things worse)
5) France, despite having universal health care, had 26% of their patients forego care due to financial concerns. The "social security" system now eats up so much of their budget they are looking to have the complementary private market make up the difference, but they will charge acturial valid premiums which will result in "unequal" care.
6) Activists in Germany are trying to make private health insurance illegal, because it so much better than the universal coverage it is "unequal".
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... se-smokers
#5
http://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2017/05/08/dan ... -policies/
Re: Its actually a good thing the
Terri Shiavo anyone?WestEndHokie39 wrote:Yep, anyone who is still pushing single payer is not paying attention:cwtcr hokie wrote:nolanvt wrote:Step closer to single payer, unfortunately, by not bringing a real bill to the floor.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
for you own sake you better hope not
1) Charlie Gard
2) NHS announcing that they will not treat smokers or obese persons
3) More issues with waiting times in Canada and Great Britain
4) More VA issues coming to light (CNN published a report that billions spent on the system after the wait time scandal actually made some things worse)
5) France, despite having universal health care, had 26% of their patients forego care due to financial concerns. The "social security" system now eats up so much of their budget they are looking to have the complementary private market make up the difference, but they will charge acturial valid premiums which will result in "unequal" care.
6) Activists in Germany are trying to make private health insurance illegal, because it so much better than the universal coverage it is "unequal".
People who know, know.
-
- Posts: 912
- Joined: Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:42 pm
Re: Its actually a good thing the
I don't understand what point you are making.TheH2 wrote:Terri Shiavo anyone?WestEndHokie39 wrote:Yep, anyone who is still pushing single payer is not paying attention:cwtcr hokie wrote:nolanvt wrote:Step closer to single payer, unfortunately, by not bringing a real bill to the floor.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
for you own sake you better hope not
1) Charlie Gard
2) NHS announcing that they will not treat smokers or obese persons
3) More issues with waiting times in Canada and Great Britain
4) More VA issues coming to light (CNN published a report that billions spent on the system after the wait time scandal actually made some things worse)
5) France, despite having universal health care, had 26% of their patients forego care due to financial concerns. The "social security" system now eats up so much of their budget they are looking to have the complementary private market make up the difference, but they will charge acturial valid premiums which will result in "unequal" care.
6) Activists in Germany are trying to make private health insurance illegal, because it so much better than the universal coverage it is "unequal".
Re: Its actually a good thing the
Charlie Gard happens in the U.S. It's a function of treatment being really expensive and no one wanting to pay for it.WestEndHokie39 wrote:I don't understand what point you are making.TheH2 wrote:Terri Shiavo anyone?WestEndHokie39 wrote:Yep, anyone who is still pushing single payer is not paying attention:cwtcr hokie wrote:nolanvt wrote:Step closer to single payer, unfortunately, by not bringing a real bill to the floor.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
for you own sake you better hope not
1) Charlie Gard
2) NHS announcing that they will not treat smokers or obese persons
3) More issues with waiting times in Canada and Great Britain
4) More VA issues coming to light (CNN published a report that billions spent on the system after the wait time scandal actually made some things worse)
5) France, despite having universal health care, had 26% of their patients forego care due to financial concerns. The "social security" system now eats up so much of their budget they are looking to have the complementary private market make up the difference, but they will charge acturial valid premiums which will result in "unequal" care.
6) Activists in Germany are trying to make private health insurance illegal, because it so much better than the universal coverage it is "unequal".
People who know, know.
-
- Posts: 11220
- Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:29 am
Re: Its actually a good thing the
Medicare covers just about everything. Supplemental insurance (Medi-Gap) is just that, a secondary policy to cover those amounts that Medicare doesn't. In the end, the two combined leave a senior with limited OOP expense.cwtcr hokie wrote:not sure why this is hard to figure out, does medicare work really well? No, massive fraud, to have good care you have to buy a supplemental policy THRU INSURANCE COMPANIES, does VA care work well? NoVisorBoy wrote:Do you have a source for #2, #5?WestEndHokie39 wrote:Yep, anyone who is still pushing single payer is not paying attention:cwtcr hokie wrote:nolanvt wrote:Step closer to single payer, unfortunately, by not bringing a real bill to the floor.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
for you own sake you better hope not
1) Charlie Gard
2) NHS announcing that they will not treat smokers or obese persons
3) More issues with waiting times in Canada and Great Britain
4) More VA issues coming to light (CNN published a report that billions spent on the system after the wait time scandal actually made some things worse)
5) France, despite having universal health care, had 26% of their patients forego care due to financial concerns. The "social security" system now eats up so much of their budget they are looking to have the complementary private market make up the difference, but they will charge acturial valid premiums which will result in "unequal" care.
6) Activists in Germany are trying to make private health insurance illegal, because it so much better than the universal coverage it is "unequal".
WE have real world examples in the USA, never mind the issues in actual single payer countries
- awesome guy
- Posts: 54187
- Joined: Wed Aug 21, 2013 7:10 pm
- Party: After 10
- Location: Plastic Flotilla:Location Classified
Re: Its actually a good thing the "skinny" repeal failed, it
No it doesn't, the government doesn't force sick people to die in America. I'm sure you'll claim to be right regardless.TheH2 wrote:Charlie Gard happens in the U.S. It's a function of treatment being really expensive and no one wanting to pay for it.WestEndHokie39 wrote:I don't understand what point you are making.TheH2 wrote:Terri Shiavo anyone?WestEndHokie39 wrote:Yep, anyone who is still pushing single payer is not paying attention:cwtcr hokie wrote:nolanvt wrote:Step closer to single payer, unfortunately, by not bringing a real bill to the floor.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
for you own sake you better hope not
1) Charlie Gard
2) NHS announcing that they will not treat smokers or obese persons
3) More issues with waiting times in Canada and Great Britain
4) More VA issues coming to light (CNN published a report that billions spent on the system after the wait time scandal actually made some things worse)
5) France, despite having universal health care, had 26% of their patients forego care due to financial concerns. The "social security" system now eats up so much of their budget they are looking to have the complementary private market make up the difference, but they will charge acturial valid premiums which will result in "unequal" care.
6) Activists in Germany are trying to make private health insurance illegal, because it so much better than the universal coverage it is "unequal".
Unvaccinated,. mask free, and still alive.
-
- Posts: 912
- Joined: Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:42 pm
Re: Its actually a good thing the
Schiavo had nothing to do with expense- it was all about quality of life.TheH2 wrote:Charlie Gard happens in the U.S. It's a function of treatment being really expensive and no one wanting to pay for it.WestEndHokie39 wrote:I don't understand what point you are making.TheH2 wrote:Terri Shiavo anyone?WestEndHokie39 wrote:Yep, anyone who is still pushing single payer is not paying attention:cwtcr hokie wrote:nolanvt wrote:Step closer to single payer, unfortunately, by not bringing a real bill to the floor.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
for you own sake you better hope not
1) Charlie Gard
2) NHS announcing that they will not treat smokers or obese persons
3) More issues with waiting times in Canada and Great Britain
4) More VA issues coming to light (CNN published a report that billions spent on the system after the wait time scandal actually made some things worse)
5) France, despite having universal health care, had 26% of their patients forego care due to financial concerns. The "social security" system now eats up so much of their budget they are looking to have the complementary private market make up the difference, but they will charge acturial valid premiums which will result in "unequal" care.
6) Activists in Germany are trying to make private health insurance illegal, because it so much better than the universal coverage it is "unequal".
Charlie Gard's parents wanted to try a last ditch desperate treatment that was already paid for.
Not anything alike...
Re: Its actually a good thing the
Ha....RiverguyVT wrote: I'm sure McCain went to through the VA for his tumor treatment...didn't he?
Mayo Clinic hospital in Phoenix, AZ.
Re: Its actually a good thing the
Death panels!!!!!awesome guy wrote:No it doesn't, the government doesn't force sick people to die in America. I'm sure you'll claim to be right regardless.
Yes, if the government (or insurance company) rejects the treatment. The UK was of the opinion that the treatment wouldn't help. Insurance companies and medicare make that judgement constantly.
People who know, know.
-
- Posts: 13399
- Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:25 pm
Re: Its actually a good thing the
I agree, those decisions are made all the time, from what I have read of single payer I would prefer the insurance modelTheH2 wrote:Charlie Gard happens in the U.S. It's a function of treatment being really expensive and no one wanting to pay for it.WestEndHokie39 wrote:I don't understand what point you are making.TheH2 wrote:Terri Shiavo anyone?WestEndHokie39 wrote:Yep, anyone who is still pushing single payer is not paying attention:cwtcr hokie wrote:nolanvt wrote:Step closer to single payer, unfortunately, by not bringing a real bill to the floor.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
for you own sake you better hope not
1) Charlie Gard
2) NHS announcing that they will not treat smokers or obese persons
3) More issues with waiting times in Canada and Great Britain
4) More VA issues coming to light (CNN published a report that billions spent on the system after the wait time scandal actually made some things worse)
5) France, despite having universal health care, had 26% of their patients forego care due to financial concerns. The "social security" system now eats up so much of their budget they are looking to have the complementary private market make up the difference, but they will charge acturial valid premiums which will result in "unequal" care.
6) Activists in Germany are trying to make private health insurance illegal, because it so much better than the universal coverage it is "unequal".
-
- Posts: 13399
- Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:25 pm
Re: Its actually a good thing the
No it doesn't, the government doesn't force sick people to die in America. I'm sure you'll claim to be right regardless.[/quote]TheH2 wrote:Charlie Gard happens in the U.S. It's a function of treatment being really expensive and no one wanting to pay for it.WestEndHokie39 wrote:I don't understand what point you are making.TheH2 wrote:Terri Shiavo anyone?WestEndHokie39 wrote:Yep, anyone who is still pushing single payer is not paying attention:cwtcr hokie wrote:nolanvt wrote:Step closer to single payer, unfortunately, by not bringing a real bill to the floor.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
for you own sake you better hope not
1) Charlie Gard
2) NHS announcing that they will not treat smokers or obese persons
3) More issues with waiting times in Canada and Great Britain
4) More VA issues coming to light (CNN published a report that billions spent on the system after the wait time scandal actually made some things worse)
5) France, despite having universal health care, had 26% of their patients forego care due to financial concerns. The "social security" system now eats up so much of their budget they are looking to have the complementary private market make up the difference, but they will charge acturial valid premiums which will result in "unequal" care.
6) Activists in Germany are trying to make private health insurance illegal, because it so much better than the universal coverage it is "unequal".
insurance companies do tho, the difference in the Gard case was the UK gov. took the parental rights away more or less
- awesome guy
- Posts: 54187
- Joined: Wed Aug 21, 2013 7:10 pm
- Party: After 10
- Location: Plastic Flotilla:Location Classified
Re: Its actually a good thing the "skinny" repeal failed, it
They don't ban getting help via the private system unlike the UK.TheH2 wrote:Death panels!!!!!awesome guy wrote:No it doesn't, the government doesn't force sick people to die in America. I'm sure you'll claim to be right regardless.
Yes, if the government (or insurance company) rejects the treatment. The UK was of the opinion that the treatment wouldn't help. Insurance companies and medicare make that judgement constantly.
Unvaccinated,. mask free, and still alive.
Re: Its actually a good thing the
You're stupid... just kidding . That's a reasonable opinion. I agree in a nuanced way. I think the U.S. should do a better job with cost/benefit analysis in terms of what you get for a treatment. That would give insurance better information in what to approve/not approve.cwtcr hokie wrote:
I agree, those decisions are made all the time, from what I have read of single payer I would prefer the insurance model
People who know, know.
Re: Its actually a good thing the
The U.S. will as well:cwtcr hokie wrote: insurance companies do tho, the difference in the Gard case was the UK gov. took the parental rights away more or less
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2009/09/0 ... with-chemo
People who know, know.
Re: Its actually a good thing the
No.TheH2 wrote:Death panels!!!!!awesome guy wrote:No it doesn't, the government doesn't force sick people to die in America. I'm sure you'll claim to be right regardless.
Yes, if the government (or insurance company) rejects the treatment. The UK was of the opinion that the treatment wouldn't help. Insurance companies and medicare make that judgement constantly.