Obama on DACA

[Techmomof2]

http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=93054

In the midst of all the outrage over Trump ending DACA, the hypocrisy is glaring.

[HokieHam]

He's a jackass.

[Techmomof2]

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room ... ctive/amp/

Judicial Watch announced today that documents obtained recently through a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request show that the Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) U.S. Citizenship & Immigration Services (USCIS) abandoned required background checks late last year, adopting, instead, costly “lean and lite” procedures in effort to keep up with the flood of amnesty applications spurred by President Obama’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) directive, which grants illegal aliens a two-year deferment from deportation.

Acting on a tip from a whistleblower at a federal law enforcement agency, Judicial Watch filed a FOIA request with DHS, for “all communications, memoranda, emails, policy guidance, directives, initiatives, and any other correspondence respecting the scope and extent of background checks to be performed (or not) on aliens applying to the Obama administration’s DACA program.” The FOIA was filed on October 26, 2012.

The Immigration and National Security Act (INA) mandates a “coordinated, uniform, and efficient,” system of background checks. Instead, the FOIA documents reveal a costly, haphazard process, with only cursory review for the backgrounds of illegal aliens seeking “deferred status.”

[133743Hokie]

A few comments on the whole DACA kerfuffle:

1. Most in the legal arena recognize that the original executive order creating DACA is illegal. Those supporting it will say the EO was just providing prosecutorial discretion to USCIS, which is the pervue of the president. But they conveniently omit that the EO actually provided tangible benefits, green cards, etc., which are beyond the scope of saying "don't make arresting kids brought here by their parents a priority". So the EO overstepped the presidents authority, was illegal and needed to be undone, either by Trump or the courts.

2. Congress has been avoiding any and all tough decisions for more than a decade. It's time they stepped up and did their jobs and actually vote what they believe. Trump tried to do this with Obamacare and he is now doing it again with DACA/immigration. I think this is important. We cannot legislate from the oval office by executive fiat. The uncertainty of EOs being undone by the next president, not to mention the often overreach if not illegality, is not good for the country. I applaud Trump for dumping this in congress' lap where it belongs. Even Obama, in announcing the program in 2012, said that it is a temporary solution. Time for them to quit bitching and talking out of both sides of their mouths. Put up or shut up.

3. As a followup up to point #2 above, for all the negativity about Trump, this action is moving us more towards the constitution, shifting "law making" from EOs to congress where it belongs.

4. The rescinding of the DACA EO appears to be misunderstood by the yammering media. They make it sound like all of these kids (I use that term loosely) are going to be rounded up and shipped out 6 months from now, which is blatantly false. DACA status is renewable every two years. Trumps order says no one can get in line for a new/initial 2 year deferral, however the 150k already in line (paperwork has been submitted), will be processed as in the past and given a 2 year deferral. So they have between 24 and 30 months to stay here, depending on when their approval comes thru. The existing 800k that currently have DACA status have 30 days to apply for another 2 year deferral (this is the other part of his EO). Again, depending on when that status is renewed they will have another 24 to 30 months to stay here. So no one is going to be rounded up 6 months from now. In fact, most of the current DACA holders will not be impacted until March 2020.

5. Some DACA stats: In the first year of the program (September 2012 to August 2013) 580k applied and 515k were granted status, split about 50-50 between men and women. About 50% of those accepted were age 19 or under, 35% age 20 to 25, and 15% age 26 or older. So about half "kids" and about half adults.

[HokieJoe]

Congress refuses to do their jobs. They punt to the POTUS; or hand off their duties to the administrative state. That way, their votes can't be used against them.

[USN_Hokie]

All good points.

Obama was counting on his successor being either another democrat or a giantflamingpussy republican who would be too scared to do anything.

Trump was the only politician running for president with the balls to do something about it. Any other "conservative" would have curled up into the fetal position and continued this illegal activity (which happens to add droves of democrat voters).

[Techmomof2]

A few comments on the whole DACA kerfuffle:

1. Most in the legal arena recognize that the original executive order creating DACA is illegal. Those supporting it will say the EO was just providing prosecutorial discretion to USCIS, which is the pervue of the president. But they conveniently omit that the EO actually provided tangible benefits, green cards, etc., which are beyond the scope of saying "don't make arresting kids brought here by their parents a priority". So the EO overstepped the presidents authority, was illegal and needed to be undone, either by Trump or the courts.

2. Congress has been avoiding any and all tough decisions for more than a decade. It's time they stepped up and did their jobs and actually vote what they believe. Trump tried to do this with Obamacare and he is now doing it again with DACA/immigration. I think this is important. We cannot legislate from the oval office by executive fiat. The uncertainty of EOs being undone by the next president, not to mention the often overreach if not illegality, is not good for the country. I applaud Trump for dumping this in congress' lap where it belongs. Even Obama, in announcing the program in 2012, said that it is a temporary solution. Time for them to quit bitching and talking out of both sides of their mouths. Put up or shut up.

3. As a followup up to point #2 above, for all the negativity about Trump, this action is moving us more towards the constitution, shifting "law making" from EOs to congress where it belongs.

4. The rescinding of the DACA EO appears to be misunderstood by the yammering media. They make it sound like all of these kids (I use that term loosely) are going to be rounded up and shipped out 6 months from now, which is blatantly false. DACA status is renewable every two years. Trumps order says no one can get in line for a new/initial 2 year deferral, however the 150k already in line (paperwork has been submitted), will be processed as in the past and given a 2 year deferral. So they have between 24 and 30 months to stay here, depending on when their approval comes thru. The existing 800k that currently have DACA status have 30 days to apply for another 2 year deferral (this is the other part of his EO). Again, depending on when that status is renewed they will have another 24 to 30 months to stay here. So no one is going to be rounded up 6 months from now. In fact, most of the current DACA holders will not be impacted until March 2020.

5. Some DACA stats: In the first year of the program (September 2012 to August 2013) 580k applied and 515k were granted status, split about 50-50 between men and women. About 50% of those accepted were age 19 or under, 35% age 20 to 25, and 15% age 26 or older. So about half "kids" and about half adults.

Is there a link for this info online?

[Techmomof2]

They claim about 30 undocumented students at VT. They should not get in-State tuition over out of State citizens.

Also, they are taking the places of 30 citizens. How many snowflakes would be willing to give up their places to allow more of the undocumented to attend VT? I think 3,000 would be more fair.

http://www.roanoke.com/news/education/h ... ef264.html

Virginia Tech, Radford University and the Virginia Community College system added to the chorus of higher education institutions nationwide condemning a move by President Donald Trump's administration to phase out the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program (DACA) over the next six months.

The policy allowed young people to live, work and go to school in the United States in two-year increments. They must reapply after each stint. That process will apparently be closed as the president attempts to leverage action from Congress.

[133743Hokie]

A few comments on the whole DACA kerfuffle:

1. Most in the legal arena recognize that the original executive order creating DACA is illegal. Those supporting it will say the EO was just providing prosecutorial discretion to USCIS, which is the pervue of the president. But they conveniently omit that the EO actually provided tangible benefits, green cards, etc., which are beyond the scope of saying "don't make arresting kids brought here by their parents a priority". So the EO overstepped the presidents authority, was illegal and needed to be undone, either by Trump or the courts.

2. Congress has been avoiding any and all tough decisions for more than a decade. It's time they stepped up and did their jobs and actually vote what they believe. Trump tried to do this with Obamacare and he is now doing it again with DACA/immigration. I think this is important. We cannot legislate from the oval office by executive fiat. The uncertainty of EOs being undone by the next president, not to mention the often overreach if not illegality, is not good for the country. I applaud Trump for dumping this in congress' lap where it belongs. Even Obama, in announcing the program in 2012, said that it is a temporary solution. Time for them to quit bitching and talking out of both sides of their mouths. Put up or shut up.

3. As a followup up to point #2 above, for all the negativity about Trump, this action is moving us more towards the constitution, shifting "law making" from EOs to congress where it belongs.

4. The rescinding of the DACA EO appears to be misunderstood by the yammering media. They make it sound like all of these kids (I use that term loosely) are going to be rounded up and shipped out 6 months from now, which is blatantly false. DACA status is renewable every two years. Trumps order says no one can get in line for a new/initial 2 year deferral, however the 150k already in line (paperwork has been submitted), will be processed as in the past and given a 2 year deferral. So they have between 24 and 30 months to stay here, depending on when their approval comes thru. The existing 800k that currently have DACA status have 30 days to apply for another 2 year deferral (this is the other part of his EO). Again, depending on when that status is renewed they will have another 24 to 30 months to stay here. So no one is going to be rounded up 6 months from now. In fact, most of the current DACA holders will not be impacted until March 2020.

5. Some DACA stats: In the first year of the program (September 2012 to August 2013) 580k applied and 515k were granted status, split about 50-50 between men and women. About 50% of those accepted were age 19 or under, 35% age 20 to 25, and 15% age 26 or older. So about half "kids" and about half adults.

Is there a link for this info online?

The DACA stats? It's online at USCIS. Here is a link to the report i referenced.

https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/fil ... 4-7-10.pdf