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Democrats aren't against gun violence; they're just against conservatives and gun rights.

http://www.breitbart.com/california/201 ... gun-crime/
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It’s california - they need to reduce their insane inmate ( a lot of illegals) population and have always been soft on crime. 3 strikes and you are out is why they are getting softer so they dint have more inmates than regular citizen
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USN_Hokie wrote:Democrats aren't against gun violence; they're just against conservatives and gun rights.

http://www.breitbart.com/california/201 ... gun-crime/
Good stuff. I support the measure.


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USN_Hokie wrote:Democrats aren't against gun violence; they're just against conservatives and gun rights.

http://www.breitbart.com/california/201 ... gun-crime/
they need to just go ahead and secede, the state is too dumb to be part of the United States
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ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:Democrats aren't against gun violence; they're just against conservatives and gun rights.

http://www.breitbart.com/california/201 ... gun-crime/
Good stuff. I support the measure.


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What is your logic here? outside of your typical far left agenda- seriously, explain to me the logic of wanting people with violent felonies with firearms to spend LESS time in jail? What is your logic for WANTING them back on the street? Felons that commit crimes with firearms really are good people? Some are heart surgeons? Is that your logic here?
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CFB Apologist wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:Democrats aren't against gun violence; they're just against conservatives and gun rights.

http://www.breitbart.com/california/201 ... gun-crime/
Good stuff. I support the measure.


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What is your logic here? outside of your typical far left agenda- seriously, explain to me the logic of wanting people with violent felonies with firearms to spend LESS time in jail? What is your logic for WANTING them back on the street? Felons that commit crimes with firearms really are good people? Some are heart surgeons? Is that your logic here?
Well, it removes the mandatory penalty and gives discretion to judges, which could result in more jail time or less jail time, depending on the judge.
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CFB Apologist wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:Democrats aren't against gun violence; they're just against conservatives and gun rights.

http://www.breitbart.com/california/201 ... gun-crime/
Good stuff. I support the measure.


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What is your logic here? outside of your typical far left agenda- seriously, explain to me the logic of wanting people with violent felonies with firearms to spend LESS time in jail? What is your logic for WANTING them back on the street? Felons that commit crimes with firearms really are good people? Some are heart surgeons? Is that your logic here?
All they’ve done is remove the mandatory sentencing rules, which can mandate ridiculous sentences that have little relationship to the actual crime committed. The judge still has the discretion to implement the penalty. It had not been removed as the article attempts to assert.




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WestEndHokie39 wrote:
CFB Apologist wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:Democrats aren't against gun violence; they're just against conservatives and gun rights.

http://www.breitbart.com/california/201 ... gun-crime/
Good stuff. I support the measure.


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What is your logic here? outside of your typical far left agenda- seriously, explain to me the logic of wanting people with violent felonies with firearms to spend LESS time in jail? What is your logic for WANTING them back on the street? Felons that commit crimes with firearms really are good people? Some are heart surgeons? Is that your logic here?
Well, it removes the mandatory penalty and gives discretion to judges, which could result in more jail time or less jail time, depending on the judge.
Correct. Breitbart is just pandering to the low infos.


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ip_law-hokie wrote:
CFB Apologist wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:Democrats aren't against gun violence; they're just against conservatives and gun rights.

http://www.breitbart.com/california/201 ... gun-crime/
Good stuff. I support the measure.


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What is your logic here? outside of your typical far left agenda- seriously, explain to me the logic of wanting people with violent felonies with firearms to spend LESS time in jail? What is your logic for WANTING them back on the street? Felons that commit crimes with firearms really are good people? Some are heart surgeons? Is that your logic here?
All they’ve done is remove the mandatory sentencing rules, which can mandate ridiculous sentences that have little relationship to the actual crime committed. The judge still has the discretion to implement the penalty. It had not been removed as the article attempts to assert.




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IE - Less prison for violent criminals.

Locking violent people up is the only thing which prevents more violence. Don't pretend you care about gun violence while you give reduced sentences to people committing gun crimes.
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USN_Hokie wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
CFB Apologist wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:Democrats aren't against gun violence; they're just against conservatives and gun rights.

http://www.breitbart.com/california/201 ... gun-crime/
Good stuff. I support the measure.


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What is your logic here? outside of your typical far left agenda- seriously, explain to me the logic of wanting people with violent felonies with firearms to spend LESS time in jail? What is your logic for WANTING them back on the street? Felons that commit crimes with firearms really are good people? Some are heart surgeons? Is that your logic here?
All they’ve done is remove the mandatory sentencing rules, which can mandate ridiculous sentences that have little relationship to the actual crime committed. The judge still has the discretion to implement the penalty. It had not been removed as the article attempts to assert.




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IE - Less prison for violent criminals.

Locking violent people up is the only thing which prevents more violence. Don't pretend you care about gun violence while you give reduced sentences to people committing gun crimes.
Maybe less time. Maybe not less time. If you were more well-versed on the results of automatic sentencing rules, you'd have a better understanding of this issue.
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WestEndHokie39 wrote:
CFB Apologist wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:Democrats aren't against gun violence; they're just against conservatives and gun rights.

http://www.breitbart.com/california/201 ... gun-crime/
Good stuff. I support the measure.


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What is your logic here? outside of your typical far left agenda- seriously, explain to me the logic of wanting people with violent felonies with firearms to spend LESS time in jail? What is your logic for WANTING them back on the street? Felons that commit crimes with firearms really are good people? Some are heart surgeons? Is that your logic here?
Well, it removes the mandatory penalty and gives discretion to judges, which could result in more jail time or less jail time, depending on the judge.

And in Kalifornia, we KNOW that these judges will really put the hammer down on felons.. yep..
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ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
CFB Apologist wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:Democrats aren't against gun violence; they're just against conservatives and gun rights.

http://www.breitbart.com/california/201 ... gun-crime/
Good stuff. I support the measure.


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What is your logic here? outside of your typical far left agenda- seriously, explain to me the logic of wanting people with violent felonies with firearms to spend LESS time in jail? What is your logic for WANTING them back on the street? Felons that commit crimes with firearms really are good people? Some are heart surgeons? Is that your logic here?
All they’ve done is remove the mandatory sentencing rules, which can mandate ridiculous sentences that have little relationship to the actual crime committed. The judge still has the discretion to implement the penalty. It had not been removed as the article attempts to assert.




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IE - Less prison for violent criminals.

Locking violent people up is the only thing which prevents more violence. Don't pretend you care about gun violence while you give reduced sentences to people committing gun crimes.
Maybe less time. Maybe not less time. If you were more well-versed on the results of automatic sentencing rules, you'd have a better understanding of this issue.
Yes, automatic sentencing rules can be "mean" and strict to violent felons sometimes. It's tragic
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I can see them now.

Illegal aliens- no addition time
minority - no additional time
white male - additional 5 years.
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ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
CFB Apologist wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:Democrats aren't against gun violence; they're just against conservatives and gun rights.

http://www.breitbart.com/california/201 ... gun-crime/
Good stuff. I support the measure.


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What is your logic here? outside of your typical far left agenda- seriously, explain to me the logic of wanting people with violent felonies with firearms to spend LESS time in jail? What is your logic for WANTING them back on the street? Felons that commit crimes with firearms really are good people? Some are heart surgeons? Is that your logic here?
All they’ve done is remove the mandatory sentencing rules, which can mandate ridiculous sentences that have little relationship to the actual crime committed. The judge still has the discretion to implement the penalty. It had not been removed as the article attempts to assert.




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IE - Less prison for violent criminals.

Locking violent people up is the only thing which prevents more violence. Don't pretend you care about gun violence while you give reduced sentences to people committing gun crimes.
Maybe less time. Maybe not less time. If you were more well-versed on the results of automatic sentencing rules, you'd have a better understanding of this issue.
If you were well versed in math/statistics you'd understand this means less time on average. All the aspiring rappers who are "turning their life around" will get breaks.
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USN_Hokie wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
CFB Apologist wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote: Good stuff. I support the measure.


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What is your logic here? outside of your typical far left agenda- seriously, explain to me the logic of wanting people with violent felonies with firearms to spend LESS time in jail? What is your logic for WANTING them back on the street? Felons that commit crimes with firearms really are good people? Some are heart surgeons? Is that your logic here?
All they’ve done is remove the mandatory sentencing rules, which can mandate ridiculous sentences that have little relationship to the actual crime committed. The judge still has the discretion to implement the penalty. It had not been removed as the article attempts to assert.




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IE - Less prison for violent criminals.

Locking violent people up is the only thing which prevents more violence. Don't pretend you care about gun violence while you give reduced sentences to people committing gun crimes.
Maybe less time. Maybe not less time. If you were more well-versed on the results of automatic sentencing rules, you'd have a better understanding of this issue.
If you were well versed in math/statistics you'd understand this means less time on average. All the aspiring rappers who are "turning their life around" will get breaks.
Got it.


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ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
CFB Apologist wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:Democrats aren't against gun violence; they're just against conservatives and gun rights.

http://www.breitbart.com/california/201 ... gun-crime/
Good stuff. I support the measure.


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What is your logic here? outside of your typical far left agenda- seriously, explain to me the logic of wanting people with violent felonies with firearms to spend LESS time in jail? What is your logic for WANTING them back on the street? Felons that commit crimes with firearms really are good people? Some are heart surgeons? Is that your logic here?
All they’ve done is remove the mandatory sentencing rules, which can mandate ridiculous sentences that have little relationship to the actual crime committed. The judge still has the discretion to implement the penalty. It had not been removed as the article attempts to assert.




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IE - Less prison for violent criminals.

Locking violent people up is the only thing which prevents more violence. Don't pretend you care about gun violence while you give reduced sentences to people committing gun crimes.
Maybe less time. Maybe not less time. If you were more well-versed on the results of automatic sentencing rules, you'd have a better understanding of this issue.
If you were well versed in math/statistics you'd understand this means less time on average. All the aspiring rappers who are "turning their life around" will get breaks.[/quote]

Eye pee is just on one of his obtuse trolling days, good luck on an actual discussion
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Mcl3 Hokie wrote:I can see them now.

Illegal aliens- no addition time
minority - no additional time
white male - additional 5 years.
Bottom line:

Violent people commit violent crime. Prison doesn't rehabilitate them aside from very rare instances (ex: crimes of passion where ordinarily peaceful people violent crime).

Less prison = more violent crime. California and other states are learning this the hard way as their politicians look at prisons as sources for more votes.
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ip_law-hokie wrote:
CFB Apologist wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:Democrats aren't against gun violence; they're just against conservatives and gun rights.

http://www.breitbart.com/california/201 ... gun-crime/
Good stuff. I support the measure.


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What is your logic here? outside of your typical far left agenda- seriously, explain to me the logic of wanting people with violent felonies with firearms to spend LESS time in jail? What is your logic for WANTING them back on the street? Felons that commit crimes with firearms really are good people? Some are heart surgeons? Is that your logic here?
All they’ve done is remove the mandatory sentencing rules, which can mandate ridiculous sentences that have little relationship to the actual crime committed. The judge still has the discretion to implement the penalty. It had not been removed as the article attempts to assert.




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Do you understand how mandatory sentencing laws even came to be? Judges were using "discretion" in doling out sentences that had no rational relationship to the crimes committed. Even more importantly, minorities were getting heavier sentences than whites. The law took the vagaries out of sentencing.
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133743Hokie wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
CFB Apologist wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:Democrats aren't against gun violence; they're just against conservatives and gun rights.

http://www.breitbart.com/california/201 ... gun-crime/
Good stuff. I support the measure.


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What is your logic here? outside of your typical far left agenda- seriously, explain to me the logic of wanting people with violent felonies with firearms to spend LESS time in jail? What is your logic for WANTING them back on the street? Felons that commit crimes with firearms really are good people? Some are heart surgeons? Is that your logic here?
All they’ve done is remove the mandatory sentencing rules, which can mandate ridiculous sentences that have little relationship to the actual crime committed. The judge still has the discretion to implement the penalty. It had not been removed as the article attempts to assert.




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Do you understand how mandatory sentencing laws even came to be? Judges were using "discretion" in doling out sentences that had no rational relationship to the crimes committed. Even more importantly, minorities were getting heavier sentences than whites. The law took the vagaries out of sentencing.
OK. While that may have been the goal, the result was crazy sentences. This will always be the result when you remove discretion from the decision.


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ip_law-hokie wrote: OK. While that may have been the goal, the result was crazy sentences. This will always be the result when you remove discretion from the decision.


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True or false:

Longer prison sentences for violent crime = less violent crime.
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USN_Hokie wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote: OK. While that may have been the goal, the result was crazy sentences. This will always be the result when you remove discretion from the decision.


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True or false:

Longer prison sentences for violent crime = less violent crime.
True.
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ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote: OK. While that may have been the goal, the result was crazy sentences. This will always be the result when you remove discretion from the decision.


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True or false:

Longer prison sentences for violent crime = less violent crime.
True.
Why don't you want to reduce violent crime?
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USN_Hokie wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote: OK. While that may have been the goal, the result was crazy sentences. This will always be the result when you remove discretion from the decision.


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True or false:

Longer prison sentences for violent crime = less violent crime.
True.
Why don't you want to reduce violent crime?
Did you ever get in fist fights as a kid?


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ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
USN_Hokie wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote: OK. While that may have been the goal, the result was crazy sentences. This will always be the result when you remove discretion from the decision.


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True or false:

Longer prison sentences for violent crime = less violent crime.
True.
Why don't you want to reduce violent crime?
Did you ever get in fist fights as a kid?


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No. I've never initiated violence against another, let alone committed a violent crime.

I'm curious what you're point was, though. Are you arguing we're all violent and no different than rapists and murderers?
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