CA:Brown Signs Bill Removing Penalty for Using Guns in Crime
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CA:Brown Signs Bill Removing Penalty for Using Guns in Crime
Democrats aren't against gun violence; they're just against conservatives and gun rights.
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Re: CA:Brown Signs Bill Removing Penalty for Using Guns in C
They're deviants that enjoy watching society crumble.
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Re: CA:Brown Signs Bill Removing Penalty for Using Guns in C
It’s california - they need to reduce their insane inmate ( a lot of illegals) population and have always been soft on crime. 3 strikes and you are out is why they are getting softer so they dint have more inmates than regular citizen
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Re: CA:Brown Signs Bill Removing Penalty for Using Guns in C
Good stuff. I support the measure.USN_Hokie wrote:Democrats aren't against gun violence; they're just against conservatives and gun rights.
http://www.breitbart.com/california/201 ... gun-crime/
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Re: CA:Brown Signs Bill Removing Penalty for Using Guns in C
they need to just go ahead and secede, the state is too dumb to be part of the United StatesUSN_Hokie wrote:Democrats aren't against gun violence; they're just against conservatives and gun rights.
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Re: CA:Brown Signs Bill Removing Penalty for Using Guns in C
What is your logic here? outside of your typical far left agenda- seriously, explain to me the logic of wanting people with violent felonies with firearms to spend LESS time in jail? What is your logic for WANTING them back on the street? Felons that commit crimes with firearms really are good people? Some are heart surgeons? Is that your logic here?ip_law-hokie wrote:Good stuff. I support the measure.USN_Hokie wrote:Democrats aren't against gun violence; they're just against conservatives and gun rights.
http://www.breitbart.com/california/201 ... gun-crime/
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Re: CA:Brown Signs Bill Removing Penalty for Using Guns in C
Well, it removes the mandatory penalty and gives discretion to judges, which could result in more jail time or less jail time, depending on the judge.CFB Apologist wrote:What is your logic here? outside of your typical far left agenda- seriously, explain to me the logic of wanting people with violent felonies with firearms to spend LESS time in jail? What is your logic for WANTING them back on the street? Felons that commit crimes with firearms really are good people? Some are heart surgeons? Is that your logic here?ip_law-hokie wrote:Good stuff. I support the measure.USN_Hokie wrote:Democrats aren't against gun violence; they're just against conservatives and gun rights.
http://www.breitbart.com/california/201 ... gun-crime/
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Re: CA:Brown Signs Bill Removing Penalty for Using Guns in C
All they’ve done is remove the mandatory sentencing rules, which can mandate ridiculous sentences that have little relationship to the actual crime committed. The judge still has the discretion to implement the penalty. It had not been removed as the article attempts to assert.CFB Apologist wrote:What is your logic here? outside of your typical far left agenda- seriously, explain to me the logic of wanting people with violent felonies with firearms to spend LESS time in jail? What is your logic for WANTING them back on the street? Felons that commit crimes with firearms really are good people? Some are heart surgeons? Is that your logic here?ip_law-hokie wrote:Good stuff. I support the measure.USN_Hokie wrote:Democrats aren't against gun violence; they're just against conservatives and gun rights.
http://www.breitbart.com/california/201 ... gun-crime/
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Correct. Breitbart is just pandering to the low infos.WestEndHokie39 wrote:Well, it removes the mandatory penalty and gives discretion to judges, which could result in more jail time or less jail time, depending on the judge.CFB Apologist wrote:What is your logic here? outside of your typical far left agenda- seriously, explain to me the logic of wanting people with violent felonies with firearms to spend LESS time in jail? What is your logic for WANTING them back on the street? Felons that commit crimes with firearms really are good people? Some are heart surgeons? Is that your logic here?ip_law-hokie wrote:Good stuff. I support the measure.USN_Hokie wrote:Democrats aren't against gun violence; they're just against conservatives and gun rights.
http://www.breitbart.com/california/201 ... gun-crime/
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IE - Less prison for violent criminals.ip_law-hokie wrote:All they’ve done is remove the mandatory sentencing rules, which can mandate ridiculous sentences that have little relationship to the actual crime committed. The judge still has the discretion to implement the penalty. It had not been removed as the article attempts to assert.CFB Apologist wrote:What is your logic here? outside of your typical far left agenda- seriously, explain to me the logic of wanting people with violent felonies with firearms to spend LESS time in jail? What is your logic for WANTING them back on the street? Felons that commit crimes with firearms really are good people? Some are heart surgeons? Is that your logic here?ip_law-hokie wrote:Good stuff. I support the measure.USN_Hokie wrote:Democrats aren't against gun violence; they're just against conservatives and gun rights.
http://www.breitbart.com/california/201 ... gun-crime/
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Locking violent people up is the only thing which prevents more violence. Don't pretend you care about gun violence while you give reduced sentences to people committing gun crimes.
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Maybe less time. Maybe not less time. If you were more well-versed on the results of automatic sentencing rules, you'd have a better understanding of this issue.USN_Hokie wrote:IE - Less prison for violent criminals.ip_law-hokie wrote:All they’ve done is remove the mandatory sentencing rules, which can mandate ridiculous sentences that have little relationship to the actual crime committed. The judge still has the discretion to implement the penalty. It had not been removed as the article attempts to assert.CFB Apologist wrote:What is your logic here? outside of your typical far left agenda- seriously, explain to me the logic of wanting people with violent felonies with firearms to spend LESS time in jail? What is your logic for WANTING them back on the street? Felons that commit crimes with firearms really are good people? Some are heart surgeons? Is that your logic here?ip_law-hokie wrote:Good stuff. I support the measure.USN_Hokie wrote:Democrats aren't against gun violence; they're just against conservatives and gun rights.
http://www.breitbart.com/california/201 ... gun-crime/
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Locking violent people up is the only thing which prevents more violence. Don't pretend you care about gun violence while you give reduced sentences to people committing gun crimes.
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Re: CA:Brown Signs Bill Removing Penalty for Using Guns in C
WestEndHokie39 wrote:Well, it removes the mandatory penalty and gives discretion to judges, which could result in more jail time or less jail time, depending on the judge.CFB Apologist wrote:What is your logic here? outside of your typical far left agenda- seriously, explain to me the logic of wanting people with violent felonies with firearms to spend LESS time in jail? What is your logic for WANTING them back on the street? Felons that commit crimes with firearms really are good people? Some are heart surgeons? Is that your logic here?ip_law-hokie wrote:Good stuff. I support the measure.USN_Hokie wrote:Democrats aren't against gun violence; they're just against conservatives and gun rights.
http://www.breitbart.com/california/201 ... gun-crime/
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And in Kalifornia, we KNOW that these judges will really put the hammer down on felons.. yep..
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Re: CA:Brown Signs Bill Removing Penalty for Using Guns in C
Yes, automatic sentencing rules can be "mean" and strict to violent felons sometimes. It's tragicip_law-hokie wrote:Maybe less time. Maybe not less time. If you were more well-versed on the results of automatic sentencing rules, you'd have a better understanding of this issue.USN_Hokie wrote:IE - Less prison for violent criminals.ip_law-hokie wrote:All they’ve done is remove the mandatory sentencing rules, which can mandate ridiculous sentences that have little relationship to the actual crime committed. The judge still has the discretion to implement the penalty. It had not been removed as the article attempts to assert.CFB Apologist wrote:What is your logic here? outside of your typical far left agenda- seriously, explain to me the logic of wanting people with violent felonies with firearms to spend LESS time in jail? What is your logic for WANTING them back on the street? Felons that commit crimes with firearms really are good people? Some are heart surgeons? Is that your logic here?ip_law-hokie wrote:Good stuff. I support the measure.USN_Hokie wrote:Democrats aren't against gun violence; they're just against conservatives and gun rights.
http://www.breitbart.com/california/201 ... gun-crime/
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Locking violent people up is the only thing which prevents more violence. Don't pretend you care about gun violence while you give reduced sentences to people committing gun crimes.
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New Ca Gun Sentencing Rules
I can see them now.
Illegal aliens- no addition time
minority - no additional time
white male - additional 5 years.
Illegal aliens- no addition time
minority - no additional time
white male - additional 5 years.
Re: CA:Brown Signs Bill Removing Penalty for Using Guns in C
If you were well versed in math/statistics you'd understand this means less time on average. All the aspiring rappers who are "turning their life around" will get breaks.ip_law-hokie wrote:Maybe less time. Maybe not less time. If you were more well-versed on the results of automatic sentencing rules, you'd have a better understanding of this issue.USN_Hokie wrote:IE - Less prison for violent criminals.ip_law-hokie wrote:All they’ve done is remove the mandatory sentencing rules, which can mandate ridiculous sentences that have little relationship to the actual crime committed. The judge still has the discretion to implement the penalty. It had not been removed as the article attempts to assert.CFB Apologist wrote:What is your logic here? outside of your typical far left agenda- seriously, explain to me the logic of wanting people with violent felonies with firearms to spend LESS time in jail? What is your logic for WANTING them back on the street? Felons that commit crimes with firearms really are good people? Some are heart surgeons? Is that your logic here?ip_law-hokie wrote:Good stuff. I support the measure.USN_Hokie wrote:Democrats aren't against gun violence; they're just against conservatives and gun rights.
http://www.breitbart.com/california/201 ... gun-crime/
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Locking violent people up is the only thing which prevents more violence. Don't pretend you care about gun violence while you give reduced sentences to people committing gun crimes.
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Got it.USN_Hokie wrote:If you were well versed in math/statistics you'd understand this means less time on average. All the aspiring rappers who are "turning their life around" will get breaks.ip_law-hokie wrote:Maybe less time. Maybe not less time. If you were more well-versed on the results of automatic sentencing rules, you'd have a better understanding of this issue.USN_Hokie wrote:IE - Less prison for violent criminals.ip_law-hokie wrote:All they’ve done is remove the mandatory sentencing rules, which can mandate ridiculous sentences that have little relationship to the actual crime committed. The judge still has the discretion to implement the penalty. It had not been removed as the article attempts to assert.CFB Apologist wrote:What is your logic here? outside of your typical far left agenda- seriously, explain to me the logic of wanting people with violent felonies with firearms to spend LESS time in jail? What is your logic for WANTING them back on the street? Felons that commit crimes with firearms really are good people? Some are heart surgeons? Is that your logic here?ip_law-hokie wrote: Good stuff. I support the measure.
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Locking violent people up is the only thing which prevents more violence. Don't pretend you care about gun violence while you give reduced sentences to people committing gun crimes.
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Re: CA:Brown Signs Bill Removing Penalty for Using Guns in C
If you were well versed in math/statistics you'd understand this means less time on average. All the aspiring rappers who are "turning their life around" will get breaks.[/quote]ip_law-hokie wrote:Maybe less time. Maybe not less time. If you were more well-versed on the results of automatic sentencing rules, you'd have a better understanding of this issue.USN_Hokie wrote:IE - Less prison for violent criminals.ip_law-hokie wrote:All they’ve done is remove the mandatory sentencing rules, which can mandate ridiculous sentences that have little relationship to the actual crime committed. The judge still has the discretion to implement the penalty. It had not been removed as the article attempts to assert.CFB Apologist wrote:What is your logic here? outside of your typical far left agenda- seriously, explain to me the logic of wanting people with violent felonies with firearms to spend LESS time in jail? What is your logic for WANTING them back on the street? Felons that commit crimes with firearms really are good people? Some are heart surgeons? Is that your logic here?ip_law-hokie wrote:Good stuff. I support the measure.USN_Hokie wrote:Democrats aren't against gun violence; they're just against conservatives and gun rights.
http://www.breitbart.com/california/201 ... gun-crime/
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Locking violent people up is the only thing which prevents more violence. Don't pretend you care about gun violence while you give reduced sentences to people committing gun crimes.
Eye pee is just on one of his obtuse trolling days, good luck on an actual discussion
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Bottom line:Mcl3 Hokie wrote:I can see them now.
Illegal aliens- no addition time
minority - no additional time
white male - additional 5 years.
Violent people commit violent crime. Prison doesn't rehabilitate them aside from very rare instances (ex: crimes of passion where ordinarily peaceful people violent crime).
Less prison = more violent crime. California and other states are learning this the hard way as their politicians look at prisons as sources for more votes.
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Re: CA:Brown Signs Bill Removing Penalty for Using Guns in C
Do you understand how mandatory sentencing laws even came to be? Judges were using "discretion" in doling out sentences that had no rational relationship to the crimes committed. Even more importantly, minorities were getting heavier sentences than whites. The law took the vagaries out of sentencing.ip_law-hokie wrote:All they’ve done is remove the mandatory sentencing rules, which can mandate ridiculous sentences that have little relationship to the actual crime committed. The judge still has the discretion to implement the penalty. It had not been removed as the article attempts to assert.CFB Apologist wrote:What is your logic here? outside of your typical far left agenda- seriously, explain to me the logic of wanting people with violent felonies with firearms to spend LESS time in jail? What is your logic for WANTING them back on the street? Felons that commit crimes with firearms really are good people? Some are heart surgeons? Is that your logic here?ip_law-hokie wrote:Good stuff. I support the measure.USN_Hokie wrote:Democrats aren't against gun violence; they're just against conservatives and gun rights.
http://www.breitbart.com/california/201 ... gun-crime/
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OK. While that may have been the goal, the result was crazy sentences. This will always be the result when you remove discretion from the decision.133743Hokie wrote:Do you understand how mandatory sentencing laws even came to be? Judges were using "discretion" in doling out sentences that had no rational relationship to the crimes committed. Even more importantly, minorities were getting heavier sentences than whites. The law took the vagaries out of sentencing.ip_law-hokie wrote:All they’ve done is remove the mandatory sentencing rules, which can mandate ridiculous sentences that have little relationship to the actual crime committed. The judge still has the discretion to implement the penalty. It had not been removed as the article attempts to assert.CFB Apologist wrote:What is your logic here? outside of your typical far left agenda- seriously, explain to me the logic of wanting people with violent felonies with firearms to spend LESS time in jail? What is your logic for WANTING them back on the street? Felons that commit crimes with firearms really are good people? Some are heart surgeons? Is that your logic here?ip_law-hokie wrote:Good stuff. I support the measure.USN_Hokie wrote:Democrats aren't against gun violence; they're just against conservatives and gun rights.
http://www.breitbart.com/california/201 ... gun-crime/
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Re: CA:Brown Signs Bill Removing Penalty for Using Guns in C
True or false:ip_law-hokie wrote: OK. While that may have been the goal, the result was crazy sentences. This will always be the result when you remove discretion from the decision.
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Longer prison sentences for violent crime = less violent crime.
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True.USN_Hokie wrote:True or false:ip_law-hokie wrote: OK. While that may have been the goal, the result was crazy sentences. This will always be the result when you remove discretion from the decision.
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Longer prison sentences for violent crime = less violent crime.
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Why don't you want to reduce violent crime?ip_law-hokie wrote:True.USN_Hokie wrote:True or false:ip_law-hokie wrote: OK. While that may have been the goal, the result was crazy sentences. This will always be the result when you remove discretion from the decision.
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Longer prison sentences for violent crime = less violent crime.
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Did you ever get in fist fights as a kid?USN_Hokie wrote:Why don't you want to reduce violent crime?ip_law-hokie wrote:True.USN_Hokie wrote:True or false:ip_law-hokie wrote: OK. While that may have been the goal, the result was crazy sentences. This will always be the result when you remove discretion from the decision.
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Longer prison sentences for violent crime = less violent crime.
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No. I've never initiated violence against another, let alone committed a violent crime.ip_law-hokie wrote:Did you ever get in fist fights as a kid?USN_Hokie wrote:Why don't you want to reduce violent crime?ip_law-hokie wrote:True.USN_Hokie wrote:True or false:ip_law-hokie wrote: OK. While that may have been the goal, the result was crazy sentences. This will always be the result when you remove discretion from the decision.
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Longer prison sentences for violent crime = less violent crime.
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I'm curious what you're point was, though. Are you arguing we're all violent and no different than rapists and murderers?