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Re: The gov race.

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:21 pm
by ip_law-hokie
UpstateSCHokie wrote:
BigDave wrote:
Hokie CPA wrote:As I said above... it doesn't matter who wins. The GA isn't going to do anything that needs to be done. I'm likely voting for Hyra. But I still may vote for Gillespie.
Actually it does matter who wins.

We have one less GOP seat in congress because we have a democrat governor. When the courts overruled Virginia's congressional districts, the legislature redrew them to comply with the court's demands. But McAuliffe vetoed the bill. The end result was that the court redrew the districts itself and cut Randy Forbes out of his seat. We now have one of the worst and most leftist state senators as our congressman because of it.
Also matters when the governor sign an EO allowing convicted felons to vote.
You mean convicted felons who have served their time?


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Re: The gov race.

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:25 pm
by UpstateSCHokie
ip_law-hokie wrote:
UpstateSCHokie wrote:
BigDave wrote:
Hokie CPA wrote:As I said above... it doesn't matter who wins. The GA isn't going to do anything that needs to be done. I'm likely voting for Hyra. But I still may vote for Gillespie.
Actually it does matter who wins.

We have one less GOP seat in congress because we have a democrat governor. When the courts overruled Virginia's congressional districts, the legislature redrew them to comply with the court's demands. But McAuliffe vetoed the bill. The end result was that the court redrew the districts itself and cut Randy Forbes out of his seat. We now have one of the worst and most leftist state senators as our congressman because of it.
Also matters when the governor sign an EO allowing convicted felons to vote.
You mean convicted felons who have served their time?


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If that's your argument then I'm sure you are in favor of felons who have served their sentence to have their 2A rights restored as well right?

Re: The gov race.

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:34 pm
by HokieJoe
UpstateSCHokie wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
UpstateSCHokie wrote:
BigDave wrote:
Hokie CPA wrote:As I said above... it doesn't matter who wins. The GA isn't going to do anything that needs to be done. I'm likely voting for Hyra. But I still may vote for Gillespie.
Actually it does matter who wins.

We have one less GOP seat in congress because we have a democrat governor. When the courts overruled Virginia's congressional districts, the legislature redrew them to comply with the court's demands. But McAuliffe vetoed the bill. The end result was that the court redrew the districts itself and cut Randy Forbes out of his seat. We now have one of the worst and most leftist state senators as our congressman because of it.
Also matters when the governor sign an EO allowing convicted felons to vote.
You mean convicted felons who have served their time?


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If that's your argument then I'm sure you are in favor of felons who have served their sentence to have their 2A rights restored as well right?

Like, I'm totally sure...

Re: The gov race.

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:42 pm
by ip_law-hokie
UpstateSCHokie wrote:
ip_law-hokie wrote:
UpstateSCHokie wrote:
BigDave wrote:
Hokie CPA wrote:As I said above... it doesn't matter who wins. The GA isn't going to do anything that needs to be done. I'm likely voting for Hyra. But I still may vote for Gillespie.
Actually it does matter who wins.

We have one less GOP seat in congress because we have a democrat governor. When the courts overruled Virginia's congressional districts, the legislature redrew them to comply with the court's demands. But McAuliffe vetoed the bill. The end result was that the court redrew the districts itself and cut Randy Forbes out of his seat. We now have one of the worst and most leftist state senators as our congressman because of it.
Also matters when the governor sign an EO allowing convicted felons to vote.
You mean convicted felons who have served their time?


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If that's your argument then I'm sure you are in favor of felons who have served their sentence to have their 2A rights restored as well right?
Non-violent felons, sure.



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Re: The gov race.

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:57 pm
by USN_Hokie
BigDave wrote:
Actually it does matter who wins.

We have one less GOP seat in congress because we have a democrat governor. When the courts overruled Virginia's congressional districts, the legislature redrew them to comply with the court's demands. But McAuliffe vetoed the bill. The end result was that the court redrew the districts itself and cut Randy Forbes out of his seat. We now have one of the worst and most leftist state senators as our congressman because of it.
But...Cuccinelli had a (historically accurate) lapel pin without exposed boobies on it! Also, he accurately interpreted the VA Constitution!

Re: The gov race.

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 8:17 pm
by Attila T Hun
FireFuente wrote:
UpstateSCHokie wrote:
FireFuente wrote:Meh, that article is 100% right but it doesn't matter.

My prediction: Northam wins easily by 3-5 points as NoVA continues to transform the state into Maryland.
After documents came out showing that he coordinated with the "Latino Victory Fund" on that racist fear-mongering disgusting ad? It would be a black mark on America if he wins after that.
Well then take the cap off your sharpie and get ready.

Your typical middle class (white) Democrat voter (like the ones that will put Northam over the top) believe they have a moral obligation to vote Democrat. Republicans are racist/sexist/homophobic/evil so voting for Gillespie is not even an option.
There's a reason they're called low info voters and why Dems go after them

Re: The gov race.

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:41 pm
by Major Kong
The weather is supposed to be nasty tomorrow in these parts...could affect turnout.

Re: The gov race.

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:02 pm
by UpstateSCHokie
Hokie CPA wrote:It doesn't matter if Northam wins. The General Assembly is going to stay firmly GOP for the next few decades.
Ummmm.....looks like the Dems now control the Va House of Delegates. Still feeling good about the future of Va?

Re: The gov race.

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:09 pm
by CFB Apologist
Virginia has finally become like Maryland... the only places that vote consistently Dem in Maryland are PG county and Baltimore city- the two largest population areas. Well, NOVA, tidewater and Richmond are deep blue now, so VA is done for the republicans- done. Simple numbers game. Virginia will vote democrat for the next 60 years.

Re: The gov race.

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:11 pm
by CFB Apologist
ip_law-hokie wrote:
UpstateSCHokie wrote:
BigDave wrote:
Hokie CPA wrote:As I said above... it doesn't matter who wins. The GA isn't going to do anything that needs to be done. I'm likely voting for Hyra. But I still may vote for Gillespie.
Actually it does matter who wins.

We have one less GOP seat in congress because we have a democrat governor. When the courts overruled Virginia's congressional districts, the legislature redrew them to comply with the court's demands. But McAuliffe vetoed the bill. The end result was that the court redrew the districts itself and cut Randy Forbes out of his seat. We now have one of the worst and most leftist state senators as our congressman because of it.
Also matters when the governor sign an EO allowing convicted felons to vote.
You mean convicted felons who have served their time?


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You're correct... convicted felons are typically democrats. Your side has that going for them at least.

Re: The gov race.

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:16 pm
by UpstateSCHokie
CFB Apologist wrote:Virginia has finally become like Maryland... the only places that vote consistently Dem in Maryland are PG county and Baltimore city- the two largest population areas. Well, NOVA, tidewater and Richmond are deep blue now, so VA is done for the republicans- done. Simple numbers game. Virginia will vote democrat for the next 60 years.
Its really one of the saddest stories in American politics. Virginia was once one of the most admired states for its business friendly climate and conservative principles. Now it seems its been flooded with Yankees, illegals, and liberal elites (especially in NoVa). Maryland's cancer has spread across the Potomac.

And here's the words of Virginia's very own clown Senator:
“You have taken one of the reddest states in the country and you have turned it into not just a battleground, not just purple - you have turned it into a blue state,” Mr. Kaine told Democratic activists at Northam’s election night party.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... irginia-r/
That is what you call a tragedy.

Re: The gov race.

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:42 pm
by CFB Apologist
UpstateSCHokie wrote:
CFB Apologist wrote:Virginia has finally become like Maryland... the only places that vote consistently Dem in Maryland are PG county and Baltimore city- the two largest population areas. Well, NOVA, tidewater and Richmond are deep blue now, so VA is done for the republicans- done. Simple numbers game. Virginia will vote democrat for the next 60 years.
Its really one of the saddest stories in American politics. Virginia was once one of the most admired states for its business friendly climate and conservative principles. Now it seems its been flooded with Yankees, illegals, and liberal elites (especially in NoVa). Maryland's cancer has spread across the Potomac.

And here's the words of Virginia's very own clown Senator:
“You have taken one of the reddest states in the country and you have turned it into not just a battleground, not just purple - you have turned it into a blue state,” Mr. Kaine told Democratic activists at Northam’s election night party.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... irginia-r/
That is what you call a tragedy.
Bound to happen.. Maryland- the Rockville/270 technology corridor got too expensive to do business in for government contractors, so they moved to Nova - Tyson's quickly spread to Herndon- which not long ago was rural, and now that has spread to loudon- which was the boon docks 15 years ago.. so now you have a bunch of well paid/cleared, young government defense contractors and their bosses who are imports from NE colleges doing the voting. These folks have enough money and time to "feel bad" about lower income families, gays, etc, etc. They are liberal- all there is to it. Add to that "sanctuaries" for illegals and all of the landscaping that wealthy people need and office parks need and there is a TON of work in NOVA for Hispanic people- legal or not- and they vote democrat - even though they are typically conservative socially and religious, but the Dems have done a superb job painting republicans as racists in America- you can thank Barrack Obama for that one. So NOVA is THE population center now- see LA type traffic. Add Richmond- always purple- and now vastly growing tidewater- again see military contractors.. not hard to figure out. Virginia will be Red for 60 years.

Re: The gov race.

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:44 pm
by USN_Hokie
Just noticed that the Republican Lt Gov and AG candidates both received more votes than Gillespie. What a shirt show.

Re: The gov race.

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:48 pm
by USN_Hokie
CFB Apologist wrote:
UpstateSCHokie wrote:
CFB Apologist wrote:Virginia has finally become like Maryland... the only places that vote consistently Dem in Maryland are PG county and Baltimore city- the two largest population areas. Well, NOVA, tidewater and Richmond are deep blue now, so VA is done for the republicans- done. Simple numbers game. Virginia will vote democrat for the next 60 years.
Its really one of the saddest stories in American politics. Virginia was once one of the most admired states for its business friendly climate and conservative principles. Now it seems its been flooded with Yankees, illegals, and liberal elites (especially in NoVa). Maryland's cancer has spread across the Potomac.

And here's the words of Virginia's very own clown Senator:
“You have taken one of the reddest states in the country and you have turned it into not just a battleground, not just purple - you have turned it into a blue state,” Mr. Kaine told Democratic activists at Northam’s election night party.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... irginia-r/
That is what you call a tragedy.
Bound to happen.. Maryland- the Rockville/270 technology corridor got too expensive to do business in for government contractors, so they moved to Nova - Tyson's quickly spread to Herndon- which not long ago was rural, and now that has spread to loudon- which was the boon docks 15 years ago.. so now you have a bunch of well paid/cleared, young government defense contractors and their bosses who are imports from NE colleges doing the voting. These folks have enough money and time to "feel bad" about lower income families, gays, etc, etc. They are liberal- all there is to it. Add to that "sanctuaries" for illegals and all of the landscaping that wealthy people need and office parks need and there is a TON of work in NOVA for Hispanic people- legal or not- and they vote democrat - even though they are typically conservative socially and religious, but the Dems have done a superb job painting republicans as racists in America- you can thank Barrack Obama for that one. So NOVA is THE population center now- see LA type traffic. Add Richmond- always purple- and now vastly growing tidewater- again see military contractors.. not hard to figure out. Virginia will be Red for 60 years.
Can't under-emphasize legal immigration's impact to Virginia as well. The immigrants coming to VA are overwhelmingly "rent seekers" and broke for the democrats by a 60pt margin. This is why liberals are so desperate to pack them in.

Speaking of the Rockville/270 corridor - I heard that Montgomery County just passed a $15 minimum wage.....

Re: The gov race.

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:12 pm
by CFB Apologist
USN_Hokie wrote:
CFB Apologist wrote:
UpstateSCHokie wrote:
CFB Apologist wrote:Virginia has finally become like Maryland... the only places that vote consistently Dem in Maryland are PG county and Baltimore city- the two largest population areas. Well, NOVA, tidewater and Richmond are deep blue now, so VA is done for the republicans- done. Simple numbers game. Virginia will vote democrat for the next 60 years.
Its really one of the saddest stories in American politics. Virginia was once one of the most admired states for its business friendly climate and conservative principles. Now it seems its been flooded with Yankees, illegals, and liberal elites (especially in NoVa). Maryland's cancer has spread across the Potomac.

And here's the words of Virginia's very own clown Senator:
“You have taken one of the reddest states in the country and you have turned it into not just a battleground, not just purple - you have turned it into a blue state,” Mr. Kaine told Democratic activists at Northam’s election night party.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... irginia-r/
That is what you call a tragedy.
Bound to happen.. Maryland- the Rockville/270 technology corridor got too expensive to do business in for government contractors, so they moved to Nova - Tyson's quickly spread to Herndon- which not long ago was rural, and now that has spread to loudon- which was the boon docks 15 years ago.. so now you have a bunch of well paid/cleared, young government defense contractors and their bosses who are imports from NE colleges doing the voting. These folks have enough money and time to "feel bad" about lower income families, gays, etc, etc. They are liberal- all there is to it. Add to that "sanctuaries" for illegals and all of the landscaping that wealthy people need and office parks need and there is a TON of work in NOVA for Hispanic people- legal or not- and they vote democrat - even though they are typically conservative socially and religious, but the Dems have done a superb job painting republicans as racists in America- you can thank Barrack Obama for that one. So NOVA is THE population center now- see LA type traffic. Add Richmond- always purple- and now vastly growing tidewater- again see military contractors.. not hard to figure out. Virginia will be Red for 60 years.
Can't under-emphasize legal immigration's impact to Virginia as well. The immigrants coming to VA are overwhelmingly "rent seekers" and broke for the democrats by a 60pt margin. This is why liberals are so desperate to pack them in.

Speaking of the Rockville/270 corridor - I heard that Montgomery County just passed a $15 minimum wage.....
Why not?- Montgomery County is already home to the 5 cent plastic bag tax.. yes, if you buy a sandwich from a deli, the bag to carry it in is an extra 5 cents - per bag. And since the average home price in Montgomery County is a gazillion dollars, all the 15 dollar minimum wage is going to do is costs some high school kids jobs. You can't live in Montgomery county on 15 an hour...not even close.

Re: The gov race.

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:18 pm
by 133743Hokie
CFB Apologist wrote:
UpstateSCHokie wrote:
CFB Apologist wrote:Virginia has finally become like Maryland... the only places that vote consistently Dem in Maryland are PG county and Baltimore city- the two largest population areas. Well, NOVA, tidewater and Richmond are deep blue now, so VA is done for the republicans- done. Simple numbers game. Virginia will vote democrat for the next 60 years.
Its really one of the saddest stories in American politics. Virginia was once one of the most admired states for its business friendly climate and conservative principles. Now it seems its been flooded with Yankees, illegals, and liberal elites (especially in NoVa). Maryland's cancer has spread across the Potomac.

And here's the words of Virginia's very own clown Senator:
“You have taken one of the reddest states in the country and you have turned it into not just a battleground, not just purple - you have turned it into a blue state,” Mr. Kaine told Democratic activists at Northam’s election night party.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... irginia-r/
That is what you call a tragedy.
Bound to happen.. Maryland- the Rockville/270 technology corridor got too expensive to do business in for government contractors, so they moved to Nova - Tyson's quickly spread to Herndon- which not long ago was rural, and now that has spread to loudon- which was the boon docks 15 years ago.. so now you have a bunch of well paid/cleared, young government defense contractors and their bosses who are imports from NE colleges doing the voting. These folks have enough money and time to "feel bad" about lower income families, gays, etc, etc. They are liberal- all there is to it. Add to that "sanctuaries" for illegals and all of the landscaping that wealthy people need and office parks need and there is a TON of work in NOVA for Hispanic people- legal or not- and they vote democrat - even though they are typically conservative socially and religious, but the Dems have done a superb job painting republicans as racists in America- you can thank Barrack Obama for that one. So NOVA is THE population center now- see LA type traffic. Add Richmond- always purple- and now vastly growing tidewater- again see military contractors.. not hard to figure out. Virginia will be Red for 60 years.
You forgot to add in the increasing percentage of low socio-economic voters in the urban areas of Richmond and tidewater that are a core constituent of the democratic party. Richmond is also now attracting a millennial population. The golden crescent of I-95 South thru I-64 East is the population and economic center of Virginia and it is liberal.

Re: The gov race.

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:22 pm
by HvilleHokie
CFB Apologist wrote:Virginia has finally become like Maryland... the only places that vote consistently Dem in Maryland are PG county and Baltimore city- the two largest population areas. Well, NOVA, tidewater and Richmond are deep blue now, so VA is done for the republicans- done. Simple numbers game. Virginia will vote democrat for the next 60 years.
disagree. VA is still a conservative state.

yesterday's vote was a pure anti-trump vote. it is not indicative of the makeup of the state.

Re: The gov race.

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:30 pm
by 133743Hokie
HvilleHokie wrote:
CFB Apologist wrote:Virginia has finally become like Maryland... the only places that vote consistently Dem in Maryland are PG county and Baltimore city- the two largest population areas. Well, NOVA, tidewater and Richmond are deep blue now, so VA is done for the republicans- done. Simple numbers game. Virginia will vote democrat for the next 60 years.
disagree. VA is still a conservative state.

yesterday's vote was a pure anti-trump vote. it is not indicative of the makeup of the state.
Yes, it was an anti-Trump vote in that it brought out democratic voters in huge numbers, hence the swing in the legislature. But Virginia is NOT a conservative state anymore. Population-wise VA is now dominated by the NOVA to RIC to Tidewater corridor. The makeup of that group is now dominated by transplanted northeasterners, government workers, government contractors, immigrants, millennials, and the urban poor. Most were not born or raised in VA. All are staunchly democrat, and what they want has nothing to do with Trump. It has to do with a liberal/progressive agenda. They want to remake their "new home" in the fashion of the one they left.

Re: The gov race.

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:31 pm
by CFB Apologist
HvilleHokie wrote:
CFB Apologist wrote:Virginia has finally become like Maryland... the only places that vote consistently Dem in Maryland are PG county and Baltimore city- the two largest population areas. Well, NOVA, tidewater and Richmond are deep blue now, so VA is done for the republicans- done. Simple numbers game. Virginia will vote democrat for the next 60 years.
disagree. VA is still a conservative state.

yesterday's vote was a pure anti-trump vote. it is not indicative of the makeup of the state.
A "redneck" depicted in a truck looking to "hunt and kill" a girl in a Hijab would have zero "traction" in a "conservative" state- zero. But, NOVA is obviously a different animal. So parts of Virginia are very much NOT conservative.

Re: The gov race.

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:35 pm
by UpstateSCHokie
CFB Apologist wrote:
HvilleHokie wrote:
CFB Apologist wrote:Virginia has finally become like Maryland... the only places that vote consistently Dem in Maryland are PG county and Baltimore city- the two largest population areas. Well, NOVA, tidewater and Richmond are deep blue now, so VA is done for the republicans- done. Simple numbers game. Virginia will vote democrat for the next 60 years.
disagree. VA is still a conservative state.

yesterday's vote was a pure anti-trump vote. it is not indicative of the makeup of the state.
A "redneck" depicted in a truck looking to "hunt and kill" a girl in a Hijab would have zero "traction" in a "conservative" state- zero. But, NOVA is obviously a different animal. So parts of Virginia are very much NOT conservative.
Could you imagine the liberal outcry if Guillespe ran an ad about what really happened in the case where a Muslim girl was hunted and killed?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... gally.html

Re: The gov race.

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:47 pm
by HvilleHokie
CFB Apologist wrote:
HvilleHokie wrote:
CFB Apologist wrote:Virginia has finally become like Maryland... the only places that vote consistently Dem in Maryland are PG county and Baltimore city- the two largest population areas. Well, NOVA, tidewater and Richmond are deep blue now, so VA is done for the republicans- done. Simple numbers game. Virginia will vote democrat for the next 60 years.
disagree. VA is still a conservative state.

yesterday's vote was a pure anti-trump vote. it is not indicative of the makeup of the state.
A "redneck" depicted in a truck looking to "hunt and kill" a girl in a Hijab would have zero "traction" in a "conservative" state- zero. But, NOVA is obviously a different animal. So parts of Virginia are very much NOT conservative.
that ad did northram no favors.

but you are right that there are parts of Virginia that are not conservative. but overall, the state still leans conservative.

Re: The gov race.

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:58 pm
by awesome guy
HvilleHokie wrote:
CFB Apologist wrote:Virginia has finally become like Maryland... the only places that vote consistently Dem in Maryland are PG county and Baltimore city- the two largest population areas. Well, NOVA, tidewater and Richmond are deep blue now, so VA is done for the republicans- done. Simple numbers game. Virginia will vote democrat for the next 60 years.
disagree. VA is still a conservative state.

yesterday's vote was a pure anti-trump vote. it is not indicative of the makeup of the state.
LOL, come on. The republicans distanced themselves from Trump and paid the price. Would have won/lost a lot less if they ran with Trump as that would have gotten his base out to counter the angry and imported cuckolds voting for the divisive party.

Re: The gov race.

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:59 pm
by awesome guy
HvilleHokie wrote:
CFB Apologist wrote:
HvilleHokie wrote:
CFB Apologist wrote:Virginia has finally become like Maryland... the only places that vote consistently Dem in Maryland are PG county and Baltimore city- the two largest population areas. Well, NOVA, tidewater and Richmond are deep blue now, so VA is done for the republicans- done. Simple numbers game. Virginia will vote democrat for the next 60 years.
disagree. VA is still a conservative state.

yesterday's vote was a pure anti-trump vote. it is not indicative of the makeup of the state.
A "redneck" depicted in a truck looking to "hunt and kill" a girl in a Hijab would have zero "traction" in a "conservative" state- zero. But, NOVA is obviously a different animal. So parts of Virginia are very much NOT conservative.
that ad did northram no favors.

but you are right that there are parts of Virginia that are not conservative. but overall, the state still leans conservative.
Nope, those here for government work now outnumber the producers. We're blue till we become another Detroit.

Re: The gov race.

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:42 pm
by TheH2
HvilleHokie wrote:
CFB Apologist wrote:Virginia has finally become like Maryland... the only places that vote consistently Dem in Maryland are PG county and Baltimore city- the two largest population areas. Well, NOVA, tidewater and Richmond are deep blue now, so VA is done for the republicans- done. Simple numbers game. Virginia will vote democrat for the next 60 years.
disagree. VA is still a conservative state.

yesterday's vote was a pure anti-trump vote. it is not indicative of the makeup of the state.
Agree. This is the reaction following a presidential election. Dems had a good day across the board. Definitely not smart to make strong conclusions based on that result.

Re: The gov race.

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 2:47 pm
by TheH2
awesome guy wrote:
HvilleHokie wrote:
CFB Apologist wrote:Virginia has finally become like Maryland... the only places that vote consistently Dem in Maryland are PG county and Baltimore city- the two largest population areas. Well, NOVA, tidewater and Richmond are deep blue now, so VA is done for the republicans- done. Simple numbers game. Virginia will vote democrat for the next 60 years.
disagree. VA is still a conservative state.

yesterday's vote was a pure anti-trump vote. it is not indicative of the makeup of the state.
LOL, come on. The republicans distanced themselves from Trump and paid the price. Would have won/lost a lot less if they ran with Trump as that would have gotten his base out to counter the angry and imported cuckolds voting for the divisive party.
Bannon disagrees.

“He’s closed an enthusiasm gap by rallying around the Trump agenda,”
“And I think the big lesson for Tuesday is that, in Gillespie’s case, Trumpism without Trump can show the way forward. If that’s the case, Democrats better be very, very worried.”