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Re: The gov race.
Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:04 pm
by awesome guy
USN_Hokie wrote:ElbertoHokie wrote:USN_Hokie wrote:Hokie CPA wrote:
The House of Delegates swing surprises me. Makes me think the Democrats are going to be very excited to vote against The Party of Trump as long as he's in office. The next 3-7 years could be rough for Virginia Republicans, and that's not libertarians' fault. The Independents came out for the Democrats yesterday. And they will for next year's mid-terms too.
1. Candidates backed by Trump have won several special elections in the last year. Gillespie is/was a milquetoast RINO who rejected Trump. Don't fall for the MSM tripe on this.
2. Not to hijack the thread, but Libertarianism is a complete failure at every level.
Candidates who backed trump in special elections in very red states. The reason trump picked those people to be in his cabinet was because it was highly unlikely a democrat would replace them. No democrat is currently going to turn Alabama blue and at the state level, what's blue and red is also very different. There are elected democrats in the Virginia assembly that would be considered staunch republicans in a place like Massachusetts.
Trump-backed candidates have won in several elections where Dems were predicting victory.
Yep. And republicans hiding from/distancing themselves from Trump have lost. I'm not sure VA would have turned out differently, but the best path is still to do as Trump did and speak up for the missing white vote that Romney and co also ignored. Being democrat-lite doesn't work as democrats are never voting for a reputation and Republican isn't going to vote for any flavor of socialism. So rally the base of working class whites that the democrats hate.
Re: The gov race.
Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:05 pm
by USN_Hokie
TheH2 wrote:USN_Hokie wrote:TheH2 wrote:awesome guy wrote:HvilleHokie wrote:CFB Apologist wrote:Virginia has finally become like Maryland... the only places that vote consistently Dem in Maryland are PG county and Baltimore city- the two largest population areas. Well, NOVA, tidewater and Richmond are deep blue now, so VA is done for the republicans- done. Simple numbers game. Virginia will vote democrat for the next 60 years.
disagree. VA is still a conservative state.
yesterday's vote was a pure anti-trump vote. it is not indicative of the makeup of the state.
LOL, come on. The republicans distanced themselves from Trump and paid the price. Would have won/lost a lot less if they ran with Trump as that would have gotten his base out to counter the angry and imported cuckolds voting for the divisive party.
Bannon disagrees.
“He’s closed an enthusiasm gap by rallying around the Trump agenda,”
“And I think the big lesson for Tuesday is that, in Gillespie’s case, Trumpism without Trump can show the way forward. If that’s the case, Democrats better be very, very worried.”
Umm...didn't Gillespie specifically reject Bannon's offer of help?
Don't confuse political theater with facts.
Just because he didn't want Bannon to speak doesn't mean he didn't do exactly what Bannon said he did, three days before the election. I'll take the masterminds (Bannon's) words over yours.
LOL.
Re: The gov race.
Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:12 pm
by Major Kong
Re: The gov race.
Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:13 pm
by HokieJoe
Gillespie separated himself from Trump as much as he could. He ran an establishment republican campaign. MS-13 and sanctuary cities aren't controversial- unless you're crazy as hell.
Re: The gov race.
Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:25 pm
by HokieJoe
Like some rotten areas in a red delicious apple.
Re: The gov race.
Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:28 pm
by awesome guy
HokieJoe wrote:Gillespie separated himself from Trump as much as he could. He ran an establishment republican campaign. MS-13 and sanctuary cities aren't controversial- unless you're crazy as hell.
Yep. But it's also not really a state issue, or one that resonates. He should have pulled a Gilmore and found a common tax issue to run on. Something more tied to the state. And really any kind of message other than not being the other guy. Need both, the hope and the fear.
Re: The gov race.
Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 4:32 pm
by BigDave
I'm not agreeing that Northam is a "moderate". He's just not bat-excrement crazy like most communist democrats. He has actually had a job outside of government and so even though he's liberal, he at least has some understanding of the world (unlike Bernie, McAwful, etc). That only makes him a "moderate" when you're comparing him with extreme leftists.
Re: The gov race.
Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:28 pm
by 133743Hokie
Hokie CPA wrote:UpstateSCHokie wrote:Hokie CPA wrote:It doesn't matter if Northam wins. The General Assembly is going to stay firmly GOP for the next few decades.
Ummmm.....looks like the Dems now control the Va House of Delegates. Still feeling good about the future of Va?
You win some, you lose some. I voted straight Republican down the ticket with the exception of voting for Hyra rather than Gillespie. It turns out that if all 29,303 of us who voted for Hyra had, instead, voted for Gillespie, Northam would've only won by 203,171. In other words, my votes had zero effect whatsoever on any of the statewide races.
The House of Delegates swing surprises me. Makes me think the Democrats are going to be very excited to vote against The Party of Trump as long as he's in office. The next 3-7 years could be rough for Virginia Republicans, and that's not libertarians' fault. The Independents came out for the Democrats yesterday. And they will for next year's mid-terms too.
The democrats came out for democrats yesterday. Their party turnout was way above normal.
Re: The gov race.
Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:30 pm
by 133743Hokie
HokieHam wrote:So, I heard on the news that initial reports are Pubs stayed home. Anyone else hearing this? Is this the result of an establishment candidate making people saying screw it?
Yes, and democrats were mobilized in high numbers
Re: The gov race.
Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:32 pm
by awesome guy
133743Hokie wrote:HokieHam wrote:So, I heard on the news that initial reports are Pubs stayed home. Anyone else hearing this? Is this the result of an establishment candidate making people saying screw it?
Yes, and democrats were mobilized in high numbers
I'm suspicious of that. Tricky Terry's hands are on this.
Re: The gov race.
Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:34 pm
by Hokie CPA
133743Hokie wrote:Their party turnout was way above normal.
Are you saying my grandparents, God rest their souls, voted Democrat yesterday?
Re: The gov race.
Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:37 pm
by 133743Hokie
Hokie CPA wrote:133743Hokie wrote:Their party turnout was way above normal.
Are you saying my grandparents, God rest their souls, voted Democrat yesterday?
No they mobilized the base, the Trump haters, immigrants, millennials, etc. It was an important election for the party and the national support was big
Re: The gov race.
Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:38 pm
by awesome guy
Hokie CPA wrote:133743Hokie wrote:Their party turnout was way above normal.
Are you saying my grandparents, God rest their souls, voted Democrat yesterday?
Don't they always? Mine turned into staunch democrats once they died as well.
