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so ban AR-15's except a handgun with a clip would have done the same damage. And he committed about 100 felonies and at least 17 capital punishment crimes....but if he was to break a gun law that would stop him!!CFB Apologist wrote:" day on social media, if you care to engage.
Who is going to volunteer to knock on doors to collect their guns? Yeah, right!CFB Apologist wrote:I would love to hear some real discussion on exactly how "sensible gun laws" would work in real life from a democrat. I really would. What exactly would they do? I know they want to label the NRA a terrorist org, and ban them from making campaign contributions for one. I have heard no new sales of guns, I have heard total gun bans, I have heard national registration, etc. I have yet to hear anything realistic though- and I'm not being facetious.
Why is that model completely not applicable in a theoretical discussion?CFB Apologist wrote:" day on social media, if you care to engage.
You do know that "mass shootings" are statistical noise in the discussion of homicide in the US, right? That would be a stupid basis for policy.BG Hokie wrote:Why is that model completely not applicable in a theoretical discussion?CFB Apologist wrote:" day on social media, if you care to engage.
Do we not have the most mass shootings? Do we not have the most guns and ease of access? To read the opinions on this board I'm to believe those two things are completely unrelated?
Yeah, fair enough. So suffice to say our freedom is worth this statistical noise in your opinion, correct?USN_Hokie wrote:You do know that "mass shootings" are statistical noise in the discussion of homicide in the US, right? That would be a stupid basis for policy.BG Hokie wrote:Why is that model completely not applicable in a theoretical discussion?CFB Apologist wrote:" day on social media, if you care to engage.
Do we not have the most mass shootings? Do we not have the most guns and ease of access? To read the opinions on this board I'm to believe those two things are completely unrelated?
Yep. Perfect viewgraph.HokieHam wrote:.
Much of the political thinking about violence in the United States comes from unfavorable comparisons between the United States and a series of cherry-picked countries with lower murder rates and with fewer guns per capita. We’ve all seen it many times. The United States, with a murder rate of approximately 5 per 100,000 is compared to a variety of Western and Central European countries (also sometimes Japan) with murder rates often below 1 per 100,000. This is, in turn, supposed to fill Americans with a sense of shame and illustrate that the United States should be regarded as some sort of pariah nation because of its murder rate.
Coming from someone who’s been strangely emotional lately.BG Hokie wrote:Yeah, mass shooting are certainly the emotional ones. The same question applies to all shootings, however, and I'm surprised I can't get an answer from anybody on this board.
When it comes to our disproportionate gun homicide rate relative to other countries, I think it's safe to say our 2nd amendment freedom is costly, correct?
The homicide rate in the US is comparable to that of Europe and Sub-Saharan Africa among respective similar demographics.BG Hokie wrote:Yeah, mass shooting are certainly the emotional ones. The same question applies to all shootings, however, and I'm surprised I can't get an answer from anybody on this board.
When it comes to our disproportionate gun homicide rate relative to other countries, I think it's safe to say our 2nd amendment freedom is costly, correct?
I’d say a vigorous defense of any and all gun rights is costly, not necessarily the 2nd amendment.BG Hokie wrote:Yeah, mass shooting are certainly the emotional ones. The same question applies to all shootings, however, and I'm surprised I can't get an answer from anybody on this board.
When it comes to our disproportionate gun homicide rate relative to other countries, I think it's safe to say our 2nd amendment freedom is costly, correct?
Not sure I understand what you are trying to argue.ip_law-hokie wrote:I’d say a vigorous defense of any and all gun rights is costly, not necessarily the 2nd amendment.BG Hokie wrote:Yeah, mass shooting are certainly the emotional ones. The same question applies to all shootings, however, and I'm surprised I can't get an answer from anybody on this board.
When it comes to our disproportionate gun homicide rate relative to other countries, I think it's safe to say our 2nd amendment freedom is costly, correct?
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You need to ask yourself- and the discussion needs to be centered on "what else - besides more gun freedom, sets the US apart from Australia and Scotland".. That is the real answer to explaining/solving these school shootings. And no, its not "you can buy guns here at Wal Mart".. that is not the correct answer or root cause.BG Hokie wrote:Why is that model completely not applicable in a theoretical discussion?CFB Apologist wrote:" day on social media, if you care to engage.
Do we not have the most mass shootings? Do we not have the most guns and ease of access? To read the opinions on this board I'm to believe those two things are completely unrelated?
I haven't seen anyone sane- including the most right wing NRA nut- advocate for a total free for all on guns- nobody is arguing for that. Most NRA members support gun control and safety measures.ip_law-hokie wrote:I’d say a vigorous defense of any and all gun rights is costly, not necessarily the 2nd amendment.BG Hokie wrote:Yeah, mass shooting are certainly the emotional ones. The same question applies to all shootings, however, and I'm surprised I can't get an answer from anybody on this board.
When it comes to our disproportionate gun homicide rate relative to other countries, I think it's safe to say our 2nd amendment freedom is costly, correct?
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It's our whole constitution, not just the 2nd amendment. It's the whole collection of freedoms that we have. We're unique.BG Hokie wrote:Yeah, mass shooting are certainly the emotional ones. The same question applies to all shootings, however, and I'm surprised I can't get an answer from anybody on this board.
When it comes to our disproportionate gun homicide rate relative to other countries, I think it's safe to say our 2nd amendment freedom is costly, correct?
A guy in Mississippi saw his online post. The FBI met with the guy that reported it. As a nation of laws, the FBI has strict investigative guidelines that they have to follow on something like this, where a crime hasn't been committed. Unfortunately that kept them from being able to ascertain who made the post.Techmomof2 wrote:The school was a 'gun-free' zone. Our world is not a safe place. Gun control only takes guns away from the good guys. We will eventually have to do what Israel does.
One angle that isn't getting much press is that Cruz was expelled for fighting with his ex-girlfriend's new boyfriend. The shootings occured on Valentine's Day. Cruz himself told the FBI he wanted to be a school shooter and the FBI was alerted about him by others. Why didn't they investigate? Chasing fake Russian Collusion instead?
Don't say "if you see something, say something" if nobody acts on it. Nobody who knew Cruz was surprised it was him.
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The right wing has instilled the notion that AR-15s, bump stocks and other barbaric excrement is protected by the Second Amendment when they often are not.USN_Hokie wrote:Not sure I understand what you are trying to argue.ip_law-hokie wrote:I’d say a vigorous defense of any and all gun rights is costly, not necessarily the 2nd amendment.BG Hokie wrote:Yeah, mass shooting are certainly the emotional ones. The same question applies to all shootings, however, and I'm surprised I can't get an answer from anybody on this board.
When it comes to our disproportionate gun homicide rate relative to other countries, I think it's safe to say our 2nd amendment freedom is costly, correct?
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Not really. You guys are pretty out there from the mainstream.CFB Apologist wrote:I haven't seen anyone sane- including the most right wing NRA nut- advocate for a total free for all on guns- nobody is arguing for that. Most NRA members support gun control and safety measures.ip_law-hokie wrote:I’d say a vigorous defense of any and all gun rights is costly, not necessarily the 2nd amendment.BG Hokie wrote:Yeah, mass shooting are certainly the emotional ones. The same question applies to all shootings, however, and I'm surprised I can't get an answer from anybody on this board.
When it comes to our disproportionate gun homicide rate relative to other countries, I think it's safe to say our 2nd amendment freedom is costly, correct?
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Gun freedoms cost more lives than other freedoms.133743Hokie wrote:It's our whole constitution, not just the 2nd amendment. It's the whole collection of freedoms that we have. We're unique.BG Hokie wrote:Yeah, mass shooting are certainly the emotional ones. The same question applies to all shootings, however, and I'm surprised I can't get an answer from anybody on this board.
When it comes to our disproportionate gun homicide rate relative to other countries, I think it's safe to say our 2nd amendment freedom is costly, correct?
The Left Wing doesn't know what an AR15 is, does, or is used for. Doesn't stop them from using that lie/falsehood to scare people though. Their knowledge of guns is minuscule, but you listen to them.ip_law-hokie wrote:The right wing has instilled the notion that AR-15s, bump stocks and other barbaric excrement is protected by the Second Amendment when they often are not.USN_Hokie wrote:Not sure I understand what you are trying to argue.ip_law-hokie wrote:I’d say a vigorous defense of any and all gun rights is costly, not necessarily the 2nd amendment.BG Hokie wrote:Yeah, mass shooting are certainly the emotional ones. The same question applies to all shootings, however, and I'm surprised I can't get an answer from anybody on this board.
When it comes to our disproportionate gun homicide rate relative to other countries, I think it's safe to say our 2nd amendment freedom is costly, correct?
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