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Re: No Americans involved. None benefitted.
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:36 pm
by HokieFanDC
USN_Hokie wrote:HokieFanDC wrote:USN_Hokie wrote:HokieFanDC wrote:RiverguyVT wrote:Okay
Now what?
Indict the Russians and take steps to stop them? You know, do the things that we're supposed to do when foreign countries try to
influence our elections.
Cite please.
Cite what? There are 13 indictments for Russians trying to influence the election. What else do you need to know?
Nope. Interfere =/= influence.
https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download
Fine. Interfere, not influence.
Re: No Americans involved. None benefitted.
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:37 pm
by USN_Hokie
CFB Apologist wrote:LOL.. 13 trolls in an indictment that clearly states both sides were targeted in an election in the richest country in the world. Could not be more hilarious. 13 twitter trolls. LOLOLOLOL. This is a sad, sad day for the Dems.. lol couldn't happen to a nicer bunch. This zero burger will go away soon and then what lie will spur their impeachment talks? should be fun
Nothingburger, hold the bun, extra air.
Re: No Americans involved. None benefitted.
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:38 pm
by USN_Hokie
Re: No Americans involved. None benefitted.
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:47 pm
by HokieFanDC
USN_Hokie wrote:
Big effing difference.
In your head, sure.
The Russians definitely interfered with the election. The goal of the interference is to influence. That's what social media does.
Re: No Americans involved. None benefitted.
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:52 pm
by USN_Hokie
HokieFanDC wrote:USN_Hokie wrote:
Big effing difference.
In your head, sure.
The Russians definitely interfered with the election. The goal of the interference is to influence. That's what social media does.
Did everyone see what he tried to do?
Oh no, you don't get to play that 3-card monty bullshit. You said "influence the election". You were wrong, cut it with the Team Hillary talking points.
Re: No Americans involved. None benefitted.
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:58 pm
by cwtcr hokie
HokieFanDC wrote:
Probably not, but who knows, people who commit wire fraud and money laundering, do get arrested. If anyone has the balls to do it, sanctions would be the standard response, with specific actions on the people with the pocketbooks.
glad our tax dollars were spent to indict mean people on facebook
Re: No Americans involved. None benefitted.
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:59 pm
by CFB Apologist
HokieFanDC wrote:USN_Hokie wrote:
Big effing difference.
In your head, sure.
The Russians definitely interfered with the election. The goal of the interference is to influence. That's what social media does.
The fact you can't see the huge difference in the two in a free election is seriously mind blowing. Seriously. Slowing down like a prick in the left hand lane due to road rage is "interfering" with traffic. Deliberately causing a haz mat spill that closes all traffic down for 3 days "influences" decisions made regarding traveling or not. HUGE difference.
Re: No Americans involved. None benefitted.
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:59 pm
by cwtcr hokie
Re: No Americans involved. None benefitted.
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:59 pm
by USN_Hokie
Democrat logic:
12 Russians influenced the election
12 million illegals didn't influence the election
Re: No Americans involved. None benefitted.
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:01 pm
by USN_Hokie
I can't wait until we find out they made pro-egg mcmuffin posts.
Re: No Americans involved. None benefitted.
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:18 pm
by HokieFanDC
USN_Hokie wrote:HokieFanDC wrote:USN_Hokie wrote:
Big effing difference.
In your head, sure.
The Russians definitely interfered with the election. The goal of the interference is to influence. That's what social media does.
Did everyone see what he tried to do?
Oh no, you don't get to play that 3-card monty bullshit. You said "influence the election". You were wrong, cut it with the Team Hillary talking points.
Haha!! They can all see what you did again. This is the old USN, I quoted you game!!!!
What I said was "try to influence the election", and "trying to influence the election".
Trying to do something and actually accomplishing that something are two different things.
Stop selectively quoting people, show some integrity, and stop accusing people of "3-card monty bullshit", when that's your calling card.
Seriously, just go away. Having you constantly misquote and take things out of context, is just pitiful.
Re: No Americans involved. None benefitted.
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:24 pm
by HokieFanDC
CFB Apologist wrote:HokieFanDC wrote:USN_Hokie wrote:
Big effing difference.
In your head, sure.
The Russians definitely interfered with the election. The goal of the interference is to influence. That's what social media does.
The fact you can't see the huge difference in the two in a free election is seriously mind blowing. Seriously. Slowing down like a prick in the left hand lane due to road rage is "interfering" with traffic. Deliberately causing a haz mat spill that closes all traffic down for 3 days "influences" decisions made regarding traveling or not. HUGE difference.
I understand the difference. I don't think you do. I'm guessing you think that "influence" means controlling the outcome of the election.
Influence means putting doubt in people's minds about their viewpoints on candidates, in a way that could change their minds about who they vote for. And it is influencing people's trust in what they read and hear about candidates. Maybe they were successful, it seems like they were to me. But I don't know if that's something you can prove. That's how US politics works, the Russians are just putting lighter fluid on the already suspect campaign tactics. How do you prove the impact?
Re: No Americans involved. None benefitted.
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:31 pm
by USN_Hokie
HokieFanDC wrote:USN_Hokie wrote:HokieFanDC wrote:In your head, sure.
The Russians definitely interfered with the election. The goal of the interference is to influence. That's what social media does.
Did everyone see what he tried to do?
Oh no, you don't get to play that 3-card monty bullshit. You said "influence the election". You were wrong, cut it with the Team Hillary talking points.
Haha!! They can all see what you did again. This is the old USN, I quoted you game!!!!
What I said was "try to influence the election", and "trying to influence the election".
Trying to do something and actually accomplishing that something are two different things.
Stop selectively quoting people, show some integrity, and stop accusing people of "3-card monty bullshit", when that's your calling card.
Seriously, just go away. Having you constantly misquote and take things out of context, is just pitiful.
LOL, you dimwit. You changed the context of "influence" by rephrasing it in your argument. Yes, their interference in the election was meant to influence social/political unrest (the media, DNC, and McMuffin being willing participants). Your original incorrect usage directly implies influencing the outcome/results. Nowhere in the indictment does it say that. You tried to repeat DNC talking points and I called you on it.
I'll tell you what, though - there was a foreign national who conspired to influence the US election. His name is Christopher Steele and he was paid (collusion?) by the Hillary Campaign surreptitiously through her lawyer. DC won't shirtpost about that though.
Re: No Americans involved. None benefitted.
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:33 pm
by Major Kong
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Re: No Americans involved. None benefitted.
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:34 pm
by USN_Hokie
HokieFanDC wrote:[
I understand the difference. I don't think you do. I'm guessing you think that "influence" means controlling the outcome of the election.
Influence means putting doubt in people's minds about their viewpoints on candidates, in a way that could change their minds about who they vote for. And it is influencing people's trust in what they read and hear about candidates. Maybe they were successful, it seems like they were to me. But I don't know if that's something you can prove. That's how US politics works, the Russians are just putting lighter fluid on the already suspect campaign tactics. How do you prove the impact?
LOL, sit down you're going to get dizzy with all that spinning. You know what "influence the election" means.
Re: No Americans involved. None benefitted.
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:47 pm
by HokieFanDC
USN_Hokie wrote:HokieFanDC wrote:USN_Hokie wrote:HokieFanDC wrote:In your head, sure.
The Russians definitely interfered with the election. The goal of the interference is to influence. That's what social media does.
Did everyone see what he tried to do?
Oh no, you don't get to play that 3-card monty bullshit. You said "influence the election". You were wrong, cut it with the Team Hillary talking points.
Haha!! They can all see what you did again. This is the old USN, I quoted you game!!!!
What I said was "try to influence the election", and "trying to influence the election".
Trying to do something and actually accomplishing that something are two different things.
Stop selectively quoting people, show some integrity, and stop accusing people of "3-card monty bullshit", when that's your calling card.
Seriously, just go away. Having you constantly misquote and take things out of context, is just pitiful.
LOL, you dimwit. You changed the context of "influence" by rephrasing it in your argument. Yes, their interference in the election was meant to influence social/political unrest (the media, DNC, and McMuffin being willing participants). Your original incorrect usage directly implies influencing the outcome/results. Nowhere in the indictment does it say that. You tried to repeat DNC talking points and I called you on it.
I'll tell you what, though - there was a foreign national who conspired to influence the US election. His name is Christopher Steele and he was paid (collusion?) by the Hillary Campaign surreptitiously through her lawyer. DC won't shirtpost about that though.
My original usage doesn't imply influencing the outcome at all - that was you applying your pavlovian, everyone is out to get Trump, response to it. You misinterpret simple statements all the time. I've said the same thing on UWS previously. In other threads, I said that Russia was trying to spread chaos, not support a certain candidate. I'm being consistent with my stance all along.
You want to talk about Steele, fine. It's disgusting and despicable that they were funding a guy trotting around the globe to get dirt on Trump and to make up things that were obvious lies. If he did something illegal, and if the DNC or Hillary campaign did something illegal, they should be charged. Not sure what kind of shirtposting you need, but I've always said the dossier is an anti-trump pile of crap.
Re: No Americans involved. None benefitted.
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:00 pm
by 133743Hokie
USN_Hokie wrote:This is the sort of thing I was talking about during the election. Somebody get hoof an icepack.
As I've been saying for over a year now, the Russians didn't try and influence the election for one candidate or another. They tried to disrupt the democratic process, give us a black eye, create turmoil so that we citizens felt that the process was not fair or was tampered with. It was one big disinformation campaign to cause civil unrest, confusion and dissention among all of us. And it has worked extremely well.
As a side note, I also believe that Kremlin agents were the bulk of the Russian "sources" for Steele's dossier. Again, intentional disinformation to create hate and discontent and turmoil among US citizens of both political parties.
Re: No Americans involved. None benefitted.
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:04 pm
by 133743Hokie
HokieFanDC wrote:USN_Hokie wrote:
Big effing difference.
In your head, sure.
The Russians definitely interfered with the election. The goal of the interference is to influence. That's what social media does.
Wrong. The goal of their interference was to create turmoil and discontent among our citizenry, to give our democracy and electorial process a black eye. It was to create social unrest in the US, and it has worked masterfully.
Re: No Americans involved. None benefitted.
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:06 pm
by USN_Hokie
133743Hokie wrote:HokieFanDC wrote:USN_Hokie wrote:
Big effing difference.
In your head, sure.
The Russians definitely interfered with the election. The goal of the interference is to influence. That's what social media does.
Wrong. The goal of their interference was to create turmoil and discontent among our citizenry, to give our democracy and electorial process a black eye. It was to create social unrest in the US, and it has worked masterfully.
Correct.
Re: No Americans involved. None benefitted.
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:09 pm
by ip_law-hokie
USN_Hokie wrote:HokieFanDC wrote:USN_Hokie wrote:
Big effing difference.
In your head, sure.
The Russians definitely interfered with the election. The goal of the interference is to influence. That's what social media does.
Did everyone see what he tried to do?
Oh no, you don't get to play that 3-card monty bullshit. You said "influence the election". You were wrong, cut it with the Team Hillary talking points.
I’m not seeing an appreciable difference, but OK. You got ‘em.
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Re: No Americans involved. None benefitted.
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:35 pm
by HokieFanDC
133743Hokie wrote:HokieFanDC wrote:USN_Hokie wrote:
Big effing difference.
In your head, sure.
The Russians definitely interfered with the election. The goal of the interference is to influence. That's what social media does.
Wrong. The goal of their interference was to create turmoil and discontent among our citizenry, to give our democracy and electorial process a black eye. It was to create social unrest in the US, and it has worked masterfully.
Yeh, that's what I said. And I've said it previously. All those things you are describing are them having an influence on our election.
Re: No Americans involved. None benefitted.
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:54 pm
by 133743Hokie
HokieFanDC wrote:133743Hokie wrote:HokieFanDC wrote:
In your head, sure.
The Russians definitely interfered with the election. The goal of the interference is to influence. That's what social media does.
Wrong. The goal of their interference was to create turmoil and discontent among our citizenry, to give our democracy and electorial process a black eye. It was to create social unrest in the US, and it has worked masterfully.
Yeh, that's what I said. And I've said it previously. All those things you are describing are them having an influence on our election.
No, they didn't influence the election, i. e. their actions did not impact the election. They influenced peoples perception of the election and the overall electoral process. So they influenced people, not the election. There is a big difference.
Re: No Americans involved. None benefitted.
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:04 pm
by HokieFanDC
133743Hokie wrote:HokieFanDC wrote:133743Hokie wrote:HokieFanDC wrote:
In your head, sure.
The Russians definitely interfered with the election. The goal of the interference is to influence. That's what social media does.
Wrong. The goal of their interference was to create turmoil and discontent among our citizenry, to give our democracy and electorial process a black eye. It was to create social unrest in the US, and it has worked masterfully.
Yeh, that's what I said. And I've said it previously. All those things you are describing are them having an influence on our election.
No, they didn't influence the election, i. e. their actions did not impact the election. They influenced peoples perception of the election and the overall electoral process. So they influenced people, not the election. There is a big difference.
Good lord. What's the matter with you people. Is your purpose to downplay the magnitude of creating discontent and turmoil, giving our electoral process a black eye? That's a big deal. It's not a nothing burger.
How about stop arguing over the context of the influence, and just say, hey it's a big deal, and we need to stop if from happening again. I don't necessarily think you're saying that, but there are plenty of people that are.
Re: No Americans involved. None benefitted.
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:24 pm
by USN_Hokie
HokieFanDC wrote:
Yeh, that's what I said. And I've said it previously. All those things you are describing are them having an influence on our election.
You've reduced you definition "influence" to something meaningless.
Their objective was to create interference, discord, unrest in the US in order to preoccupy the administration with domestic issues, allowing Russia to pursue its foreign policy unfettered. They succeeded. Congratulations.
Re: No Americans involved. None benefitted.
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:29 pm
by USN_Hokie
HokieFanDC wrote:
Good lord. What's the matter with you people. Is your purpose to downplay the magnitude of creating discontent and turmoil, giving our electoral process a black eye? That's a big deal. It's not a nothing burger.
How about stop arguing over the context of the influence, and just say, hey it's a big deal, and we need to stop if from happening again. I don't necessarily think you're saying that, but there are plenty of people that are.
I'm rating your post with 4 out of 5 "Good Griefs" on the BigDave scale.
The only one being dense is you.