Good to see the kids stand up
Forum rules
Be Civil. Go Hokies.
Be Civil. Go Hokies.
- ip_law-hokie
- Posts: 19133
- Joined: Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:20 pm
- Alma Mater: Manchester
- Location: New York, NY
Good to see the kids stand up
And fight for those of us who have grown cynical. I wish them the best.
Furious students who survived school shooting call for tougher gun laws - CNNhttps://apple.news/AyoJRT6ETTguREgskeX7RYQ
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Furious students who survived school shooting call for tougher gun laws - CNNhttps://apple.news/AyoJRT6ETTguREgskeX7RYQ
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
With their Cap’n and Chief Intelligence Officer having deserted them, River, Ham and Joe valiantly continue their whataboutismistic last stand of the DJT apology tour.
- HokieHam
- Posts: 26659
- Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2013 2:50 pm
- Location: Kicking over crayons in a safe space for libruls....
Re: Good to see the kids stand up
Emotional arguments. Typical
"if you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face-forever."
ip believes you can dial in a 78 year old man who suffers from deminishing mental function
- ip_law-hokie
- Posts: 19133
- Joined: Wed Aug 21, 2013 9:20 pm
- Alma Mater: Manchester
- Location: New York, NY
Re: Good to see the kids stand up
Having your school shot up can be tough. What’s great is that these kid’s opinions carries as much weight as yours.HokieHam wrote:Emotional arguments. Typical
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
With their Cap’n and Chief Intelligence Officer having deserted them, River, Ham and Joe valiantly continue their whataboutismistic last stand of the DJT apology tour.
Re: Good to see the kids stand up
Maybe they should only ask for thoughts and prayers. Those have done a great job of stopping these things so far.HokieHam wrote:Emotional arguments. Typical
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Fully vaccinated, still not dead
-
- Posts: 11220
- Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:29 am
Re: Good to see the kids stand up
"If Coach Feis had had his firearm in school that day, I believe that he most likely could’ve stopped the threat,” Haab asserted.
http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/17/stude ... coach-gun/
http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/17/stude ... coach-gun/
-
- Posts: 11220
- Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:29 am
Re: Good to see the kids stand up
Please elaborate on what gun law change you propose that would have prevented the school shooting?nolanvt wrote:Maybe they should only ask for thoughts and prayers. Those have done a great job of stopping these things so far.HokieHam wrote:Emotional arguments. Typical
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Re: Good to see the kids stand up
I was already in favor of banning AR-15s, which is what the killer used in this attack and what has been used in other mass shootings - there’s a reason the AR-15 is popular with mass shooters. While I support the 2A, I believe there should be reasonable exceptions on what type of weapons that civilians should be allowed to own. Now, that won’t prevent every single shooting event (nobody is arguing that and to counter argue that is silly), but banning certain assault weapons will reduce the number of deaths IMO.133743Hokie wrote:Please elaborate on what gun law change you propose that would have prevented the school shooting?nolanvt wrote:Maybe they should only ask for thoughts and prayers. Those have done a great job of stopping these things so far.HokieHam wrote:Emotional arguments. Typical
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
But maybe we should stick with thoughts and prayers, or maybe even award medals to children who go to school and survive. I dunno.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Fully vaccinated, still not dead
Re: Good to see the kids stand up
Meditation/prayer is very effective for folks in grief, but don't let that stop you making an ignorant jackass of yourself.nolanvt wrote:Maybe they should only ask for thoughts and prayers. Those have done a great job of stopping these things so far.HokieHam wrote:Emotional arguments. Typical
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
- UpstateSCHokie
- Posts: 11982
- Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:31 pm
Re: Good to see the kids stand up
Do tell, what is it about the AR-15 that makes it so bad? If we just changed the name to "the gay defender," would it then be cool with you? Could we keep it legal? I'd like to hear you explain to us what makes you so scared of an AR-15.nolanvt wrote:I was already in favor of banning AR-15s, which is what the killer used in this attack and what has been used in other mass shootings - there’s a reason the AR-15 is popular with mass shooters. While I support the 2A, I believe there should be reasonable exceptions on what type of weapons that civilians should be allowed to own. Now, that won’t prevent every single shooting event (nobody is arguing that and to counter argue that is silly), but banning certain assault weapons will reduce the number of deaths IMO.133743Hokie wrote:Please elaborate on what gun law change you propose that would have prevented the school shooting?nolanvt wrote:Maybe they should only ask for thoughts and prayers. Those have done a great job of stopping these things so far.HokieHam wrote:Emotional arguments. Typical
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
But maybe we should stick with thoughts and prayers, or maybe even award medals to children who go to school and survive. I dunno.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” ― Voltaire (1694 – 1778)
Re: Good to see the kids stand up
Rifles of any kind were only used in 3.4% of firearm homicides (2.5% of all homicides) per the FBI Unified Crime Report (UCR). Continue with your emotional child argument, though.nolanvt wrote:I was already in favor of banning AR-15s, which is what the killer used in this attack and what has been used in other mass shootings - there’s a reason the AR-15 is popular with mass shooters. While I support the 2A, I believe there should be reasonable exceptions on what type of weapons that civilians should be allowed to own. Now, that won’t prevent every single shooting event (nobody is arguing that and to counter argue that is silly), but banning certain assault weapons will reduce the number of deaths IMO.133743Hokie wrote:Please elaborate on what gun law change you propose that would have prevented the school shooting?nolanvt wrote:Maybe they should only ask for thoughts and prayers. Those have done a great job of stopping these things so far.HokieHam wrote:Emotional arguments. Typical
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
But maybe we should stick with thoughts and prayers, or maybe even award medals to children who go to school and survive. I dunno.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/20 ... s/table-12
Re: Good to see the kids stand up
Thoughts and prayers will stop those bullets next time. [emoji106]USN_Hokie wrote:Meditation/prayer is very effective for folks in grief, but don't let that stop you making an ignorant jackass of yourself.nolanvt wrote:Maybe they should only ask for thoughts and prayers. Those have done a great job of stopping these things so far.HokieHam wrote:Emotional arguments. Typical
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Fully vaccinated, still not dead
Re: Good to see the kids stand up
I’d rather have fewer people die when someone decides to kill people.UpstateSCHokie wrote:Do tell, what is it about the AR-15 that makes it so bad? If we just changed the name to "the gay defender," would it then be cool with you? Could we keep it legal? I'd like to hear you explain to us what makes you so scared of an AR-15.nolanvt wrote:I was already in favor of banning AR-15s, which is what the killer used in this attack and what has been used in other mass shootings - there’s a reason the AR-15 is popular with mass shooters. While I support the 2A, I believe there should be reasonable exceptions on what type of weapons that civilians should be allowed to own. Now, that won’t prevent every single shooting event (nobody is arguing that and to counter argue that is silly), but banning certain assault weapons will reduce the number of deaths IMO.133743Hokie wrote:Please elaborate on what gun law change you propose that would have prevented the school shooting?nolanvt wrote:Maybe they should only ask for thoughts and prayers. Those have done a great job of stopping these things so far.HokieHam wrote:Emotional arguments. Typical
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
But maybe we should stick with thoughts and prayers, or maybe even award medals to children who go to school and survive. I dunno.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Fully vaccinated, still not dead
Re: Good to see the kids stand up
You know what’s better than those numbers? Reducing those numbers.USN_Hokie wrote:Rifles of any kind were only used in 3.4% of firearm homicides (2.5% of all homicides) per the FBI Unified Crime Report (UCR). Continue with your emotional child argument, though.nolanvt wrote:I was already in favor of banning AR-15s, which is what the killer used in this attack and what has been used in other mass shootings - there’s a reason the AR-15 is popular with mass shooters. While I support the 2A, I believe there should be reasonable exceptions on what type of weapons that civilians should be allowed to own. Now, that won’t prevent every single shooting event (nobody is arguing that and to counter argue that is silly), but banning certain assault weapons will reduce the number of deaths IMO.133743Hokie wrote:Please elaborate on what gun law change you propose that would have prevented the school shooting?nolanvt wrote:Maybe they should only ask for thoughts and prayers. Those have done a great job of stopping these things so far.HokieHam wrote:Emotional arguments. Typical
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
But maybe we should stick with thoughts and prayers, or maybe even award medals to children who go to school and survive. I dunno.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/20 ... s/table-12
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Fully vaccinated, still not dead
- UpstateSCHokie
- Posts: 11982
- Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:31 pm
Re: Good to see the kids stand up
The next time you face a personal tragedy or hardship, please be sure to tell everyone you know to NOT send any thoughts or prayers. You apparently think its just a waste of time and effort, so I'm sure you'll be the one atheist in the fox hole.nolanvt wrote:
Thoughts and prayers will stop those bullets next time. [emoji106]
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” ― Voltaire (1694 – 1778)
- UpstateSCHokie
- Posts: 11982
- Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:31 pm
Re: Good to see the kids stand up
nolanvt wrote:I’d rather have fewer people die when someone decides to kill people.UpstateSCHokie wrote:Do tell, what is it about the AR-15 that makes it so bad? If we just changed the name to "the gay defender," would it then be cool with you? Could we keep it legal? I'd like to hear you explain to us what makes you so scared of an AR-15.nolanvt wrote:I was already in favor of banning AR-15s, which is what the killer used in this attack and what has been used in other mass shootings - there’s a reason the AR-15 is popular with mass shooters. While I support the 2A, I believe there should be reasonable exceptions on what type of weapons that civilians should be allowed to own. Now, that won’t prevent every single shooting event (nobody is arguing that and to counter argue that is silly), but banning certain assault weapons will reduce the number of deaths IMO.133743Hokie wrote:Please elaborate on what gun law change you propose that would have prevented the school shooting?nolanvt wrote:Maybe they should only ask for thoughts and prayers. Those have done a great job of stopping these things so far.HokieHam wrote:Emotional arguments. Typical
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
But maybe we should stick with thoughts and prayers, or maybe even award medals to children who go to school and survive. I dunno.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Why are you not answering the question? Tell us what scares you about AR-15s.
You think that if AR-15's were banned, that the kid (or any other evil MFer) would just say "well damn, I was going to kill a bunch of people but since the AR-15 is now outlawed, I guess I'll just stay home?"
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” ― Voltaire (1694 – 1778)
Re: Good to see the kids stand up
I'll pray for your improved understanding of math and statistics so you don't make as big of a fool of yourself in the next thread. [emoji106]nolanvt wrote:Thoughts and prayers will stop those bullets next time. [emoji106]USN_Hokie wrote:Meditation/prayer is very effective for folks in grief, but don't let that stop you making an ignorant jackass of yourself.nolanvt wrote:Maybe they should only ask for thoughts and prayers. Those have done a great job of stopping these things so far.HokieHam wrote:Emotional arguments. Typical
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Re: Good to see the kids stand up
I no longer ask for thoughts and prayers for myself. I don’t think I would make it a point to tell people not to offer them as well - that would just be weird and dickhead-ish.UpstateSCHokie wrote:The next time you face a personal tragedy or hardship, please be sure to tell everyone you know to NOT send any thoughts or prayers. You apparently think its just a waste of time and effort, so I'm sure you'll be the one atheist in the fox hole.nolanvt wrote:
Thoughts and prayers will stop those bullets next time. [emoji106]
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Fully vaccinated, still not dead
Re: Good to see the kids stand up
I never argued all gun violence would stop. If that’s your counter, you are arguing against the idea of laws. Bank robbers still rob banks, so why not remove laws against it? See how silly that sounds?UpstateSCHokie wrote:nolanvt wrote:I’d rather have fewer people die when someone decides to kill people.UpstateSCHokie wrote:Do tell, what is it about the AR-15 that makes it so bad? If we just changed the name to "the gay defender," would it then be cool with you? Could we keep it legal? I'd like to hear you explain to us what makes you so scared of an AR-15.nolanvt wrote:I was already in favor of banning AR-15s, which is what the killer used in this attack and what has been used in other mass shootings - there’s a reason the AR-15 is popular with mass shooters. While I support the 2A, I believe there should be reasonable exceptions on what type of weapons that civilians should be allowed to own. Now, that won’t prevent every single shooting event (nobody is arguing that and to counter argue that is silly), but banning certain assault weapons will reduce the number of deaths IMO.133743Hokie wrote:Please elaborate on what gun law change you propose that would have prevented the school shooting?nolanvt wrote: Maybe they should only ask for thoughts and prayers. Those have done a great job of stopping these things so far.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
But maybe we should stick with thoughts and prayers, or maybe even award medals to children who go to school and survive. I dunno.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Why are you not answering the question? Tell us what scares you about AR-15s.
You think that if AR-15's were banned, that the kid (or any other evil MFer) would just say "well damn, I was going to kill a bunch of people but since the AR-15 is now outlawed, I guess I'll just stay home?"
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Fully vaccinated, still not dead
- UpstateSCHokie
- Posts: 11982
- Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:31 pm
Re: Good to see the kids stand up
Then 1) Answer the question about what's so unique about the AR-15 that it should be banned and then 2) what is the reason for banning it if it won't do anything?nolanvt wrote:
I never argued all gun violence would stop. If that’s your counter, you are arguing against the idea of laws. Bank robbers still rob banks, so why not remove laws against it? See how silly that sounds?
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” ― Voltaire (1694 – 1778)
Re: Good to see the kids stand up
So you were just being an ignorant dickhead earlier?nolanvt wrote:I no longer ask for thoughts and prayers for myself. I don’t think I would make it a point to tell people not to offer them as well - that would just be weird and dickhead-ish.UpstateSCHokie wrote:The next time you face a personal tragedy or hardship, please be sure to tell everyone you know to NOT send any thoughts or prayers. You apparently think its just a waste of time and effort, so I'm sure you'll be the one atheist in the fox hole.nolanvt wrote:
Thoughts and prayers will stop those bullets next time. [emoji106]
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
- UpstateSCHokie
- Posts: 11982
- Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:31 pm
Re: Good to see the kids stand up
Yeah, just like mocking people that send them to the victims of these tragedies.nolanvt wrote: ...that would just be weird and dickhead-ish.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
“Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” ― Voltaire (1694 – 1778)
- HokieHam
- Posts: 26659
- Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2013 2:50 pm
- Location: Kicking over crayons in a safe space for libruls....
Re: Good to see the kids stand up
And there you have it. Nolan wanting another slippery slope.nolanvt wrote:I was already in favor of banning AR-15s, which is what the killer used in this attack and what has been used in other mass shootings - there’s a reason the AR-15 is popular with mass shooters. While I support the 2A, I believe there should be reasonable exceptions on what type of weapons that civilians should be allowed to own. Now, that won’t prevent every single shooting event (nobody is arguing that and to counter argue that is silly), but banning certain assault weapons will reduce the number of deaths IMO.133743Hokie wrote:Please elaborate on what gun law change you propose that would have prevented the school shooting?nolanvt wrote:Maybe they should only ask for thoughts and prayers. Those have done a great job of stopping these things so far.HokieHam wrote:Emotional arguments. Typical
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
But maybe we should stick with thoughts and prayers, or maybe even award medals to children who go to school and survive. I dunno.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
"if you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face-forever."
ip believes you can dial in a 78 year old man who suffers from deminishing mental function
- HokieHam
- Posts: 26659
- Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2013 2:50 pm
- Location: Kicking over crayons in a safe space for libruls....
Re: Good to see the kids stand up
Sure. Doesn’t mean their opinions preceded my constitutional rights.....ip_law-hokie wrote:Having your school shot up can be tough. What’s great is that these kid’s opinions carries as much weight as yours.HokieHam wrote:Emotional arguments. Typical
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
"if you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face-forever."
ip believes you can dial in a 78 year old man who suffers from deminishing mental function
Re: Good to see the kids stand up
I’m not sure how this makes sense. I didn’t reference any personal tragedies of mine. I was referring to those type of circumstances.. oh, excrement, it’s USN. He’s being purposefully being obtuse.USN_Hokie wrote:So you were just being an ignorant dickhead earlier?nolanvt wrote:I no longer ask for thoughts and prayers for myself. I don’t think I would make it a point to tell people not to offer them as well - that would just be weird and dickhead-ish.UpstateSCHokie wrote:The next time you face a personal tragedy or hardship, please be sure to tell everyone you know to NOT send any thoughts or prayers. You apparently think its just a waste of time and effort, so I'm sure you'll be the one atheist in the fox hole.nolanvt wrote:
Thoughts and prayers will stop those bullets next time. [emoji106]
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Fully vaccinated, still not dead
-
- Posts: 11220
- Joined: Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:29 am
Re: Good to see the kids stand up
Ok. You've singled out the AR-15. It "looks scary", militaristic, and is semi-automatic. Fair enough. But a majority of handguns are semi-automatic as well. They have clips that can be easily carried and quickly changed out too. So why just AR-15s? What is the logic or rationale for just stopping there? And if you decide to extrapolate out to other similar weapons, where does it end, and are you now seriously infringing on the 2A?nolanvt wrote:I was already in favor of banning AR-15s, which is what the killer used in this attack and what has been used in other mass shootings - there’s a reason the AR-15 is popular with mass shooters. While I support the 2A, I believe there should be reasonable exceptions on what type of weapons that civilians should be allowed to own. Now, that won’t prevent every single shooting event (nobody is arguing that and to counter argue that is silly), but banning certain assault weapons will reduce the number of deaths IMO.133743Hokie wrote:Please elaborate on what gun law change you propose that would have prevented the school shooting?nolanvt wrote:Maybe they should only ask for thoughts and prayers. Those have done a great job of stopping these things so far.HokieHam wrote:Emotional arguments. Typical
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
But maybe we should stick with thoughts and prayers, or maybe even award medals to children who go to school and survive. I dunno.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk